Thread: sarah Palin Was Right - Death Panels

Originally Posted by pramjockey

1) You can sue the government

2) You can't sue HMOs

3) Your life is not directly in the hands of a bureaucrat. To say such a thing is being deliberately dishonest and fearmongering.

I'll go with this.

Originally Posted by Cari

I don't think anyone wants to kill Grandma, I think they want to make smart business decisions. What I want to know is why is the federal guy making the business decision so much worse than the private employee?

It's none of the federal guy's business in the first place Cari.

Have you ever read the US constitution?

Originally Posted by tsquare

BCSC must sell there product to stay in business. The Government does not.

As a result, BCSC must, at the very least, pretend to make customers comfortable if not happy... to keep them buying.

The government does not.

You forgot BCBS has an incentive to deny my claim, even if I am entitled to payment, since a certain percentage of improperly denied claims simply get paid by the policyholder, it's a money making proposition for them, and the claims reviewers get bonuses based on the amount of claims they deny, unlike civil servants.

You also left out that BCBS only wants to retain the business of the people who don't have claims, so making it pure misery for those with health problems makes good business sense.

Originally Posted by tsquare

Originally Posted by Sunshine

The bill was out there for anyone to read. Why didn't you read it?

I did... so did Sarah.

We knew this crap... and a thousand other things were in it.

People claimed that we lied and were 'stupid'

We were right

Palin's "death panels" facebook post referenced H.R. 3200, which didn't have the Independent Payment Advisory Board. She was referencing Medicare reimbursements for voluntary end-of-life care consultations.

Originally Posted by Greenbeard

Palin's "death panels" facebook post referenced H.R. 3200, which didn't have the Independent Payment Advisory Board. She was referencing Medicare reimbursements for voluntary end-of-life care consultations.

That is already a Joint Commission requirement in hospitals. You will be asked every time you go to the hospital if you have a living will or DPOA. If not you will be asked if you want to make one.

This is just crazy shit that you are promoting on here.

Originally Posted by Greenbeard

Palin's "death panels" facebook post referenced H.R. 3200, which didn't have the Independent Payment Advisory Board. She was referencing Medicare reimbursements for voluntary end-of-life care consultations.

Now that I think about it, you're exactly right.

Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

OMFG!!!! IOW, nothing has actually changed, but the RW is desperately trying to create the illusion that it has?

Who'd a'thunk it?

I'm not sure I'd say that "nothing has changed," after all, we should all be aware that health care is currently rationed, just like any other commodity; however, there is a difference: when the government starts rationing health care, it will do so with the force of law, which means people in the United States won't be able to challenge it. At least with insurance companies, a person can always find some other insurer, but with the new legislation it requires a supermajority to bring any accountability to the health care decisions mandated by Independent Advisory Board.

Originally Posted by jotathought

I'm not sure I'd say that "nothing has changed," after all, we should all be aware that health care is currently rationed, just like any other commodity; however, there is a difference: when the government starts rationing health care, it will do so with the force of law, which means people in the United States won't be able to challenge it. At least with insurance companies, a person can always find some other insurer, but with the new legislation it requires a supermajority to bring any accountability to the health care decisions mandated by Independent Advisory Board.

I don't know that the bolded presumption is true. If you're married, you may be able to get insurance through your spouse, but there are a shrinking number of insurance providers. Getting insurance as an individual can be difficult and incredibly expensive.

Originally Posted by Cari

That doesn't address the fact that the same procedures are used. It's not you or your doctor deciding what treatments you can have, it's a company. And no, BCBS doesn't have to pretend to keep you happy. You can either take them, or leave them

...which is not a choice you get with tax funded national care. You don't have the option to not pay taxes on the grounds that you do not support a certain government entity.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

I don't know that the bolded presumption is true. If you're married, you may be able to get insurance through your spouse, but there are a shrinking number of insurance providers. Getting insurance as an individual can be difficult and incredibly expensive.

Because medical procedures are expensive. Because the government forces the costs up through ridiculous legislation on doctors.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

I think the difference is that right-wingers can invest in privatly owned death panels that want to kill grandma while turning a healthy profit. Government controlled death panels can't be as easily bought.

Anything controlled by the government these days is very easily bought.

Originally Posted by tsquare

See it here...

Breitbart.tv Obama’s Budget Director: Powerful Rationing Panel (Not Doctors) Will Control Health Care Levels

Obama’s nationalized health care bill includes powerful health care rationing “death panels.”

Obama Budget Director Peter Orszag admitted earlier this month that:

A Powerful Rationing Panel (Not Doctors) Will Control Health Care Levels

Not you
Not your family
Not your Doctor

Fucking government.

This is one of the reasons why they would not tell you what was in the bill before it passed and this is a big reason that it must be repealed.

Sarah Palin... speaking truth to power

Obama... lying sack of shit that wants to control your life and your death.

We are just seeing the start of the transformation from a free America to a federaly controlled cold and vicious dictatorship. I beleive that in the very near future the constitution will be regarded as an antiquated and obsolete document and will simply be discarded.

Originally Posted by sinebar

We are just seeing the start of the transformation from a free America to a federaly controlled cold and vicious dictatorship. I beleive that in the very near future the constitution will be regarded as an antiquated and obsolete document and will simply be discarded.

It WILL be?

Where have you been for, oh.... the past 80 years or so?