Thread: Heath Care Law: 6 Months In, It's Worse Than We Thought

Originally Posted by goober

We used to have unregulated insurance, it resulted in massive fraud.

Obomer said there was 500 billion of waste and fraud in Medicare alone, now who's fault is that? And by the way that 500 billion is taxpayer money that the government is wasting of our money. And that is just one of the many government run institutions. It would seem massive fraud is not just in the insurance industry. Try our government that trumps all fraud. Now I'm not for fraud for any company or government agency, but the biggest contributer of fraud is our big government.

Originally Posted by Invisible-Bob

No you shouldn't bother anymore if you can't understand the simple concept that businesses have to make a profit to stay in business.

Technically incorrect. Businesses need to cover all expenses to stay in business... profit is not 'required', but it is desired.

Originally Posted by MaybeNextYear

Technically incorrect. Businesses need to cover all expenses to stay in business... profit is not 'required', but it is desired.

Well yeah you're technically right but who the hell is going to be in business for no profit? That would be stupid. So yeah a business has to make a profit to stay in business or otherwise what would be the point. Also what about personal expenses. If a business owner must make a profit to cover personal expenses.

I`m trying to see the bright side of this healthcare law. If it`s a disaster,we`ll be one step closer to universal healthcare that the civilized countries of the world enjoy. It will happen sooner or later.

Originally Posted by August West

I`m trying to see the bright side of this healthcare law. If it`s a disaster,we`ll be one step closer to universal healthcare that the civilized countries of the world enjoy. It will happen sooner or later.

I can't help but find this point view very ugly. And I'm not at all convinced it's true. Certain vested interests will reap benefits from this fiasco, but a lot of innocent people will suffer in the process.

Unfortunately, this perspective seems to be the dominant one in DC. I think most of them are smart enough to know HCR as passed won't work. But they desperately want to nationalize health care and are willing to run everything into the ground to achieve their goals.

Originally Posted by Invisible-Bob

Well yeah you're technically right but who the hell is going to be in business for no profit? That would be stupid. So yeah a business has to make a profit to stay in business or otherwise what would be the point. Also what about personal expenses. If a business owner must make a profit to cover personal expenses.

Don't get me wrong... profit good.

However, there are countless non-profit organizations in the world, who are in business, and thrive. They make enough to run their programs, pay salaries, expenses, expand, etc., but show little to no 'profit' once these items are paid for.

Like I said, 'technically', profit isn't required, but in most cases, it is desired.

Originally Posted by dblack

I can't help but find this point view very ugly. And I'm not at all convinced it's true. Certain vested interests will reap benefits from this fiasco, but a lot of innocent people will suffer in the process.

Unfortunately, this perspective seems to be the dominant one in DC. I think most of them are smart enough to know HCR as passed won't work. But they desperately want to nationalize health care and are willing to run everything into the ground to achieve their goals.

It will be a "fiasco" and as passed it "won`t work"? Do you have a crystal ball? I wouldn`t pay much attention to those fear mongering voices coming out of your radio. They`ve been wrong about everything from ACORN to Climategate.

Originally Posted by August West

It will be a "fiasco" and as passed it "won`t work"? Do you have a crystal ball? I wouldn`t pay much attention to those fear mongering voices coming out of your radio. They`ve been wrong about everything from ACORN to Climategate.

A perfect example of the new law already not working is the growing number of insurance companies that are no longer selling children-only policies, because of the requirement in the law that prohibits them from denying coverage to or dropping children for pre-existing illness.

You mean the ACORN that was defunded because of waste and fraud?

As for climategatge, there is till zero consensus that man is the primary cause of any sort of climate change.

Originally Posted by August West

It will be a "fiasco" and as passed it "won`t work"? Do you have a crystal ball?

Do you? I'm referring to the frequent comments of "supporters" of the bill, who for the most part seem to realize it's piece of shit. But, as you echoed, they say that's ok because (they presume) it's a "step in the right direction".

Originally Posted by Forplay

Obomer said there was 500 billion of waste and fraud in Medicare alone, now who's fault is that? And by the way that 500 billion is taxpayer money that the government is wasting of our money. And that is just one of the many government run institutions. It would seem massive fraud is not just in the insurance industry. Try our government that trumps all fraud. Now I'm not for fraud for any company or government agency, but the biggest contributer of fraud is our big government.

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Originally Posted by August West

Speaking of legacy and clocks. COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War

Not that I am or was for or against Iraq... you do realize that the Magical Mystery Stimulus bill cost more... right?

Originally Posted by MaybeNextYear

Not that I am or was for or against Iraq... you do realize that the Magical Mystery Stimulus bill cost more... right?

No, actually they don't. It ruins their narrative.

Originally Posted by MaybeNextYear

Not that I am or was for or against Iraq... you do realize that the Magical Mystery Stimulus bill cost more... right?

Wrong! And it didn`t kill tens of thousands.