Thread: My prices for health care just went up...

Originally Posted by chassisman

cig smokin, fat munchin lardasses of America

you shouldn't talk about the south like that, chass.

Originally Posted by chassisman

My Blue Cross just went up 29%, the biggest increase in all the years I've been a subscriber.......the reason given? The ACA. Keep in mind that is for my current plan, (which I am "grandfathered" into) if I choose to keep it. If I go to an ACA plan that increase would exceed 50%.
Keep telling yourselves how good it is, dems.

Oh, well, shit, if the company told you so, it must be true.

Originally Posted by chassisman

Yeah, forcing the insurance companies to offer policies to the cig smokin, fat munchin lardasses of America couldn't possibly have caused rates to increase.

You mean fat munchin, cigarette smoking alcoholics are going to be covered for the first time???


P.S. Heres a little actuarial secret, alcoholics and cigarette smokers cost insurance companies a lot less than teetotaling exercise freaks.
Don't tell anyone, but the people who don't die from trauma, like car accidents or gunshot wounds, get sick and die, without exception. And the healthy ones hang on a lot longer and run up a much bigger bill.
That 350 lb chain smokin', 10 beers a night on the way home dude, clutches his chest , and is dead before he hits the floor. That's not medical expense, that's funeral expense. Mr. Tubby Chimney is going to be stone cold dead long before he gets to a million dollar cap.
That in shape, super fit, eats free range organic person will die of a disease that takes it's time, and runs up the tab, and these are the folks that hit the million dollar limit.
If you really want to lower health care costs, the government should hand out free cigarettes, and PlayStations, and big screen TVs to keep people on the couch, and Oh, Yeah, subsidize Vodka...

Originally Posted by chassisman

Yeah, forcing the insurance companies to offer policies to the cig smokin, fat munchin lardasses of America couldn't possibly have caused rates to increase.

And introducing straw men like your post does is just that much more helpful.

So, everyone who wasn't offered a policy was a "cig smokin, fat munchin lardass?" Must be nice to live in your nice and neat black and white world.

Of course, that's not reality, but eh, don't let me intrude.

Originally Posted by goober

You mean fat munchin, cigarette smoking alcoholics are going to be covered for the first time???


P.S. Heres a little actuarial secret, alcoholics and cigarette smokers cost insurance companies a lot less than teetotaling exercise freaks.
Don't tell anyone, but the people who don't die from trauma, like car accidents or gunshot wounds, get sick and die, without exception. And the healthy ones hang on a lot longer and run up a much bigger bill.
That 350 lb chain smokin', 10 beers a night on the way home dude, clutches his chest , and is dead before he hits the floor. That's not medical expense, that's funeral expense. Mr. Tubby Chimney is going to be stone cold dead long before he gets to a million dollar cap.
That in shape, super fit, eats free range organic person will die of a disease that takes it's time, and runs up the tab, and these are the folks that hit the million dollar limit.
If you really want to lower health care costs, the government should hand out free cigarettes, and PlayStations, and big screen TVs to keep people on the couch, and Oh, Yeah, subsidize Vodka...

Chassisman prefers things much simpler. Insurance companies are inherently good - and so if they refused someone a policy, it was their own damn fault for being too damn fat. No other reason could possibly exist ... like the profit motive required by law makes the business model structured so less and less people are covered - and if they are covered, that they do not pay once sick.

Nah, that can't be it.

Sure , there are people who have pre-existing conditions thru no real fault of their won..then there is self inflicted FATASS America.........ever open your eyes and look at that RB? the masses willingly run their cholesterol up and general health down thru lifestyle and you think that when insurers say no to them they are the big corporate bad guys, eh? So healthy people like me should pay more so they can have insurance with their fatburger, and a nice smoke afterwards.......ahh, the ethics of a great socialist!

When I see one of these human jabathehuts on a power scooter at Walmart, I wonder are they disgustingly fat because they're handicapped, or handicapped because they're disgustingly fat

Originally Posted by chassisman

Yeah, forcing the insurance companies to offer policies to the cig smokin, fat munchin lardasses of America couldn't possibly have caused rates to increase.

Not before that happens, certainly.

Originally Posted by Invisible-Bob

How many employee's do you have? I think the only reason my plan only went up a few dollars is because I work for a very large company with thousands of employees. Of course who knows what will happen in the near future as more got ya's in Ocare kick in.

Right now 37, One of my best friends works for pepsico, and his is going up like 2% which is not bad.

Our increase works out to about 57%

Originally Posted by goober

You mean fat munchin, cigarette smoking alcoholics are going to be covered for the first time???


P.S. Heres a little actuarial secret, alcoholics and cigarette smokers cost insurance companies a lot less than teetotaling exercise freaks.
Don't tell anyone, but the people who don't die from trauma, like car accidents or gunshot wounds, get sick and die, without exception. And the healthy ones hang on a lot longer and run up a much bigger bill.
That 350 lb chain smokin', 10 beers a night on the way home dude, clutches his chest , and is dead before he hits the floor. That's not medical expense, that's funeral expense. Mr. Tubby Chimney is going to be stone cold dead long before he gets to a million dollar cap.
That in shape, super fit, eats free range organic person will die of a disease that takes it's time, and runs up the tab, and these are the folks that hit the million dollar limit.
If you really want to lower health care costs, the government should hand out free cigarettes, and PlayStations, and big screen TVs to keep people on the couch, and Oh, Yeah, subsidize Vodka...

So are you saying Sin taxes are in reality a lie?

Stick to the topic and leave the baiting out of it.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Oh, well, shit, if the company told you so, it must be true.

yeah, and to top it off, Boeing, Catapillar, AARP, etc, they're all spreading the same damn lie..................go figger. Truth is, it just was due to go up $29 anyhow, right?

Originally Posted by chassisman

yeah, and to top it off, Boeing, Catapillar, AARP, etc, they're all spreading the same damn lie..................go figger. Truth is, it just was due to go up $29 anyhow, right?

Originally Posted by Boeing

Health care costs are rising significantly faster than inflation—affecting our ability to price products and services to win against lower-cost competitors and to invest in new products and services

Boeing Increases Employee Health Insurance Fees, Cites Cost Pressures - WSJ.com

Originally Posted by WSJ re: Caterpillar

The loss of tax deductions for Caterpillar would be closer to about $7 million a year, or less than 1% of last year's profit of $895 million, based on a 35% corporate tax rate and the $20 million in annual subsidies that the company said it expected to receive in papers filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Mr. Dugan confirmed by email that these figures are accurate.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...100528284.html
(i.e. they're taking a one-time hit because they're choosing to)

Originally Posted by yahoo news re: AARP

In an e-mail to employees, AARP says health care premiums will increase by 8 percent to 13 percent next year because of rapidly rising medical costs.

Citing health overhaul, AARP hikes employee costs - Yahoo! News

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Boeing Increases Employee Health Insurance Fees, Cites Cost Pressures - WSJ.com


Deere, Caterpillar: Health-Care Law to Raise Expenses - WSJ.com
(i.e. they're taking a one-time hit because they're choosing to)



Citing health overhaul, AARP hikes employee costs - Yahoo! News

so you are seriously trying to say that the Health Care Bill has nothing to do with teh rising prices?