Thread: DOJ loses gamble with US District Judge on Health Care Ruling

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

My comments blue.


The real issue here isn't activist judges, it is a man who now occupies the whitehouse who sees himself as a King rather than a president. A president understands and respects the American system of government that has checks and balances built into it in order that tyranny won't be allowed in.

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Obama has already indicated his hostility toward court decisions he doesn't like, but more than verbal hostility has transpired since Obama's State of the Union speech, which found an obviously roiled Judge Alito mouthing responses to the president's antagonistic and historically unprecedented dress down of the high court.

Indications are the high court, along with the entirety of the judicial branch of government, may be facing more than a verbal showdown as the Obama administration is determined by any and every means to salvage its end goals, particularly its health care plan, from the counterattacks of the judiciary.

Justice Roger Vinson of the U.S. District Court in Pensacola ruled the individual mandate central to the implementation of Obama Care is illegal. If Justice Vinson's ruling stands, it would make the 2,700 page, $938 billion health reform bill null and void.


Vinson wrote:

"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void. This has been a difficult decision to reach, and I am aware that it will have indeterminable implications."

Vinson's ruling, along with one which was delivered by Judge Henry Hudson in Virginia, means it is probable that the U.S. Supreme Court will make the final decision about the constitutionality of ObamaCare. So far the auguries do not bode well for its fate.


Regardless, it has been noticeable that the Obama administration has paid no particular mind to the Vinson decision. On the contrary, the WH has ignored the ruling, proceeding as if it never happened, hell bent on continuing the implementation of Obama Care.

As Mark Levin and others have noted, the president is in contempt of court by continuing to implement a law declared unconstitutional. In fact, while the rest of the real estate market languishes, the boom in Washington, D.C. continues unabated, due in a large part to the need for office space for the multitudinous agencies, some 159 in number, mandated by the health care bill.


It's worth noting the disregard for judicial rulings concerning the Health Care bill has been paralleled by the Obama administration's quiet ignoring of the judicial decisions overturning the moratoriums on drilling for oil.

But perhaps the most ominous sign the judicial branch of our government may be in danger of being entirely overridden by the executive branch of our government is the recent decision by the Department of Justice not to defend the Defense of Marriage Act on the grounds that part of the act is unconstitutional.

In one fell swoop, the Obama administration has abrogated to itself the role of the judiciary and has thereby announced to the judiciary the executive branch will decide whether or not to uphold the decisions of the courts, including the Supreme Court.


The Obama administration has basically executed a coup against the judiciary and due process of law by taking to itself the duties of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of government.

if the administration can decree a given law as unconstitutional without the evaluation of its constitutionality or non-constitutionality residing in the hands of the judiciary, the process of judicial review is unnecessary. Worse, the entire system of governmental checks and balances is completely wrecked. The executive branch would reign as supreme arbiter of law. Law would be what the executive branch deems law: law by decree, by fiat.



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America will follow it's new King.


King Obama. He is going to get himself impeached if he continues with his confusion about the powers he has in his office as the PRESIDENT.

He only THINKS he is the King.

LOL. Bush and Cheney sent us to War on a lie. Bush circumvented a lot of rules to get his agenda pushed through. Both him and Cheney should have been brought up on charges of treason and sentenced to death for the shit they pulled in those 8 years. The President is just trying to get people healthcare where as Buch and Cheney were more interested in making themselves and their friends richer.

Originally Posted by clarkatticus

Sorry, we just assumed you are one more leach on the system, we do not know who you are. We do know you cannot be too bright if you think the average Joe can pay his own health care. Most BK's are caused by health costs. The cost of health care has quadrupled since 2000, so I am glad you are independently rich beyond all expectations, because that is what it would take if you were in a major accident or have an extended illness or crippling disease. Of course, you are rich, or you couldn't afford health care w/o insurance. I applaud your industry and do not doubt your veracity.(insert jerking-off motion here)

Wow. You really like what you said don't you? Let me get this through your thick skull now before you bother wasting more of my time. 1. I'm not rich. 2. I've been off health insurance for almost 9 years and I've only had to go to the hospital twice. Once was for a slight hernia which I paid for upfront from my own savings, the second was for a sprained leg which I paid for from my own savings. While neither was all that expensive, all things considered, it did drain most of my savings each time because both times, I was not in the greatest position.

What I've learned thus far is to not push myself so much. I've had colds and the flu a couple times but I've never missed out on work unless I thought I'd be a danger to myself or someone else.

Like Blue Doggy. You assume much yet know nothing about me. Why don't you kindly NOT talk to me in such a presumptuous manner anymore.

Originally Posted by Sadanie

I don't wish it on you, but what would happen if you had a car accident, or if you suddenly developped symptoms of testicular or liver cancer?

Would you keep your bravado? Or would you sneak into the emergency room to get other people to pay for your care. . .which would probably be a diagnosis, basic stabilization, and not much more?

I also hope you do not have a wife or a child depending on you for their health care!

Sorry man but I pay my own way. If I get something of that nature - depending on my financial position - I may just pay out of pocket, take out a loan or already be on some insurance plan that only covers catastrophic events. Seeing as this was how insurance originally started out in the US, I'd at least be prepared minimally. I don't think I have anything to worry about though. I take much better care of myself than I previously did in my teen years.

As for family, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it and not a moment sooner. One thing is for certain. My kid(s), if I choose to have any, will be insured until they become of age.

Originally Posted by TomBlaze

LOL. Bush and Cheney sent us to War on a lie. Bush circumvented a lot of rules to get his agenda pushed through. Both him and Cheney should have been brought up on charges of treason and sentenced to death for the shit they pulled in those 8 years. The President is just trying to get people healthcare where as Buch and Cheney were more interested in making themselves and their friends richer.

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Seems like Obama is too eh? But you're right, Bush and Cheney should be tried for treason. Actually, every person on that list I linked to deserve to be tried for treason.

Originally Posted by RRAHH

Wow. You really like what you said don't you? Let me get this through your thick skull now before you bother wasting more of my time. 1. I'm not rich. 2. I've been off health insurance for almost 9 years and I've only had to go to the hospital twice. Once was for a slight hernia which I paid for upfront from my own savings, the second was for a sprained leg which I paid for from my own savings. While neither was all that expensive, all things considered, it did drain most of my savings each time because both times, I was not in the greatest position.

What I've learned thus far is to not push myself so much. I've had colds and the flu a couple times but I've never missed out on work unless I thought I'd be a danger to myself or someone else.

Like Blue Doggy. You assume much yet know nothing about me. Why don't you kindly NOT talk to me in such a presumptuous manner anymore.



Sorry man but I pay my own way. If I get something of that nature - depending on my financial position - I may just pay out of pocket, take out a loan or already be on some insurance plan that only covers catastrophic events. Seeing as this was how insurance originally started out in the US, I'd at least be prepared minimally. I don't think I have anything to worry about though. I take much better care of myself than I previously did in my teen years.

As for family, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it and not a moment sooner. One thing is for certain. My kid(s), if I choose to have any, will be insured until they become of age.

Great sentiments. Any idea what a broken leg costs? A heart attack?

We are talking the price of a decent house, spent in a week. So suddenly you have a house mortgage size debt with 3 years to pay it off instead of 30.

If it happens to you, about 6 years in to that thing you are going to be getting resentful, and rightly so.

Originally Posted by RRAHH

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Seems like Obama is too eh? But you're right, Bush and Cheney should be tried for treason. Actually, every person on that list I linked to deserve to be tried for treason.

We all seem to consider ourselves invincible in our youth (Just natural) I believe.

It is against all odds that you could handle a really major medical catastrophe out of pocket or get a loan to cover it thus becoming humbled by the need to accept some kind of public assistance to remain whole. For your sake I hope you "can" beat the odds.

Originally Posted by Steve

So a judge can make a ruling and then order one of the parties to appeal it?

That's stupid...

I may be wrong, but I think when a judge makes a ruling an appeal must be filed within a certain time frame.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

You must be ok with OTHERS paying for your hospital bills IF, you get seriously ill, or have an accident, like a car crash, that was your fault.

It's people like you that make my own health insurance higher than it would be if us insured did not have to take up you guy's slack. Thanks! You da man, or perhaps "leech" would be more appropiate.

NOW, if you cannot afford the outrageous rates or medical bills, perhaps under Obamacare you will finally pay your share. Or pay your way, instead of allowing us Libs to take care of you. Which we don't mind, mind ya, even if you are a Con.

Obamacare is all about taking care of the slackers at the workers expense, it doesn't take much to get that figured out.