Thread: Absolute utter failure of GOP on healthcare

How about an "Abolute" failure on spelling "absolute"?



As often as you decry the GOP for being stupid, you really should have your ducks in a row...

As a side note, Rick Perry has no shot at running for president.

The whole wrongful execution investigation he blocked has pretty much "killed" (pun intended) his chances. There's no way the GOP would actually run this guy with that huge skeleton in his closet.

Granted, I have been wrong about this sort of thing before....

hey.. cpould you do me a favor and list the highest taxed states for me..

How many of those "residents" of Texas are actually citizens?

I thnk there are more variables at play to just give a simple graph. For example, California is pretty high up on the list and that is a very liberal state.

Let's see how Dann's typical partisan spin plays out in reality. Here's the party affiliation of the current governor for the states listed as lowest uninsured:

MA - D
CT - R
MN - D
HI - D
PA - R
VT - D
WI - R
MD - D
NJ - R
NH - D

Four of 10 are Republicans. And in the case of MA, the healthcare system there is known as "Romneycare", so I think we can pretty much call the top 10 a draw.

Looks like Danny's partisan spin fails to hold up under a factual examination - as usual.

Matt

Originally Posted by Danny

The GOP seems to be in competition to put forth the shitiest health care plan. In all honestly debating anything other than a plan to cover everyone is almost a waste of time because the numbers are so biased in favor of covering everybody. Everyone once in a while I'll chime in here in the hopes that GOPers might realize what they are saying.

The DNC seems to think that giving healthcare to people who made bad life decisions like dropping out of high school, getting hooked on drugs or alcohol, taking up smoking and eating unhealthy, or having 6 kids from 6 different people is moral. Well, it's easy to be moral with other people's money.

How about you libs show us how morally superior you are? Start by pushing Obama to modify the tax system so that people can voluntarily pay more taxes to the government and where these extra voluntary taxes paid into the government would be used exclusively for social programs like healthcare. I have no idea why we should have to pay for healthcare for these people. You libs pay for them with the voluntary tax...show us conservatives how much you really care about those people.

Of course, libs would never do this because they know damn well they'd never contribute much to a program like this and the fallout would be losing more elections. It's much easier to bleat about how morally superior the DNC is to the RNC while calling for other people to pay for what the DNC thinks is moral.

Kramer

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Let's see how Dann's typical partisan spin plays out in reality. Here's the party affiliation of the current governor for the states listed as lowest uninsured:

MA - D
CT - R
MN - D
HI - D
PA - R
VT - D
WI - R
MD - D
NJ - R
NH - D

Four of 10 are Republicans. And in the case of MA, the healthcare system there is known as "Romneycare", so I think we can pretty much call the top 10 a draw.

Looks like Danny's partisan spin fails to hold up under a factual examination - as usual.

Matt

So, the changes that have created favorable trends for the uninsured happened since the last gubernatorial election, and were created by the governors in each state?

Now for the other end of the scale.

TX - R
MS - R
LA - R
OK - R
FL - R
NM - R
NV - R
GA - R
CA - D
SC - R

Nine out of ten are Republicans, which might lend some credibility to Danny's partisan ranting - if the party affiliation of the governor were the only variable. And the party affiliation of the governor is plainly not the only variable, otherwise half the top performing states on this issue wouldn't be either Republican led or have systems in place created by Republican governors.

Just another example of the folly of taking a complex question, isolating a single variable, then trying to use it to make partisan hay.

Nice try, Danny.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

So, the changes that have created favorable trends for the uninsured happened since the last gubernatorial election, and were created by the governors in each state?

Neither - see my next post.

I'm sure you see the fatal flaw in Danny's rush to use this as a partisan blame game talking point...

Someone really should list the GOP plans for lowering healthcare costs. That's what the dems totally left out of their reform package. Also. is there a GOP plan for a constitutional version of universal coverage- or do they even want to address this?

"Repeal and replace" hasn't been a hot topic lately. Seems to have stalled at repeal in the House. Whatever happened to rising healthcare costs being the driving force behind the looming problems with Medicare, Medicaid, and public sector retirement promises? Subsidizing millions of people to buy private health insurance won't cut a penny from what's being charged for services rendered.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Neither - see my next post.

I'm sure you see the fatal flaw in Danny's rush to use this as a partisan blame game talking point...

Sorry, I know you don't do the blind partisan thing.

Originally Posted by kramer

The DNC seems to think that giving healthcare to people who made bad life decisions like dropping out of high school, getting hooked on drugs or alcohol, taking up smoking and eating unhealthy, or having 6 kids from 6 different people is moral. Well, it's easy to be moral with other people's money.

How about you libs show us how morally superior you are? Start by pushing Obama to modify the tax system so that people can voluntarily pay more taxes to the government and where these extra voluntary taxes paid into the government would be used exclusively for social programs like healthcare. I have no idea why we should have to pay for healthcare for these people. You libs pay for them with the voluntary tax...show us conservatives how much you really care about those people.

Of course, libs would never do this because they know damn well they'd never contribute much to a program like this and the fallout would be losing more elections. It's much easier to bleat about how morally superior the DNC is to the RNC while calling for other people to pay for what the DNC thinks is moral.

Kramer

Ok, so the Repubs are "not my brother's keeper". Hell son, most of of liberals were very well aware of this fact. And it is ironic since they draw so much support from the Christians.

I reckon I must be a flamin' screaming Liberal, because I just happen to think that if a Nation as rich as this one cannot provide for such a basic thing as healtcare, by redistribution of revenues, this is absolute PROOF that Satan is calling the shots and running the show here in America. That a rich Nation would not care enough for fellow citizens and human beings to insure their health needs are met is not the work of God, but of the devil.

It would be totally a different deal IF, this Nation simply did not have the wealth to insure ALL are given health care when needed. But if God has blessed America with great wealth, and we do not use some of it to care for the less fortunate, we are indeed spittin in the eye of the Creator.

Healthcare is simply the RIGHT thing to do. It is the moral thing to do. And it is the civilized thing to do. If any Nation can take care of its own poor, but refuses to do so, this is complete and unadulterated EVIL. And I don't like evil, and refuse to indulge in it. And I don't care for folks who indulge in it, while hiding behind religion, or their own self centered interpretation of the scriptures that form its foundation.

If the GOP is consistent, they will at some point in time charge for the air that we breath. If you don't have the money to pay the vendor, you will be denied air. Afterall, the Constitution does not grant you the right to breath air, freely. Forgot about the right to life clause. This doesn't include air! And it sure as hell don't include getting treatment for a life taking illness. You got the right to life, just as long as you are healthy. Get a virus, and that changes things. Your right to life at that point is totally MOOT. So you have a right to a healthy life, just as long as you don't get sick.