Thread: Obama's war on asthmatics

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Primatene Mist With Chlorofluorocarbons No Longer Available After Dec. 31, 2011

The Obama administration continues their war against the American people by pulling the only OTC asthma inhaler off the shelves.

Thousands of people use Primatine to instantly stop acute asthma attacks. And now to get an inhaler for asthma they will have to pay a doctor and buy a prescription inhaler that costs significantly more than Primatine.

What a bunch of fucking assholes. This decision could cause many Americans to die from asthma attacks.

Now, now....you're just being emotional. You have to think about this rationally. What's more important, your life or the whole environment?.... and if you pick your life you're a racist earth hater!

/s

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Primatene Mist With Chlorofluorocarbons No Longer Available After Dec. 31, 2011

The Obama administration continues their war against the American people by pulling the only OTC asthma inhaler off the shelves.

Thousands of people use Primatine to instantly stop acute asthma attacks. And now to get an inhaler for asthma they will have to pay a doctor and buy a prescription inhaler that costs significantly more than Primatine.

What a bunch of fucking assholes. This decision could cause many Americans to die from asthma attacks.

Your OP is kind of a stretch, isn't it?
You think government is too involved in daily life, and yet you think President Obama should micromanage the availability of an over-the-counter drug?

Obviously, it will take an extra step for people with asthma to get this medication. That's a good thing! It is a drug that can be over used and dangerous if over used.

Now, ONLY people who really need it will get it, with a prescription from a licenced physician.

"OTC ASTHMA INHALERS ARE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE, BUT OFTEN MISUSED CHICAGO-- Good news about over-the-counter (OTC) epinephrine inhalers for asthma: Occasional use appears to be safe and effective in patients with mild, intermittent disease--provided they follow the instructions on the label.

The bad news: "About 20% of the asthma patients who are using these inhalers probably should not be," said Roy D. Altman, MD, in an interview with RESPIRATORY REVIEWS. These patients have mild-to-moderate persistent asthma and need a physician's supervision, explained Dr. Altman, a Professor of Medicine at the University of Miami."

From Respiratory Review.com

Wether you agreed with this new regulation, what does that have to do with the POTUS?

Originally Posted by Sadanie

....
You think government is too involved in daily life, and yet you think President Obama should micromanage the availability of an over-the-counter drug?
......

The act of removing the drug from OTC status is 'micromanaging'.

The act of leaving things the way they are is....uh....just leaving things alone.

Where do you come up with some of these hairball ideas?

Originally Posted by lutherf

The act of removing the drug from OTC status is 'micromanaging'.

The act of leaving things the way they are is....uh....just leaving things alone.

Where do you come up with some of these hairball ideas?

I do not believe that this POTUS (in fact, any POTUS in the past) has studied a specific drug and has single handedly made a decision to remove a specific drug from over the counter distribution.

Obviously, the pharmaceutical who benefits from the open sale of that drug is going to do some propaganda attacks where ever they can! And, obviously, some people will gobble the "market side" of this issue and blame whomever they dislike most!

Who mentionned "koolaid drinkers?"

I am returning the compliment: "Where do you come up with some of these hairball ideas?"

Originally Posted by Sadanie

I do not believe that this POTUS (in fact, any POTUS in the past) has studied a specific drug and has single handedly made a decision to remove a specific drug from over the counter distribution.

Of course he delegated the authority to the EPA which he is using to attack the American people on several fronts.

Face it, Obama and his administration are a bunch of fascist assholes. And they have a deep-seated hatred for Americans. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Sadanie

I do not believe that this POTUS (in fact, any POTUS in the past) has studied a specific drug and has single handedly made a decision to remove a specific drug from over the counter distribution.

Obviously, the pharmaceutical who benefits from the open sale of that drug is going to do some propaganda attacks where ever they can! And, obviously, some people will gobble the "market side" of this issue and blame whomever they dislike most!

Who mentionned "koolaid drinkers?"

I am returning the compliment: "Where do you come up with some of these hairball ideas?"

Well....the FDA is part of HHS which is an Executive branch agency so the claim of the Obama administration making this decision is pretty much spot on. I doubt that Obama himself made this decision but such a claim was never really made by the OP.

As far as the company that makes Primatine having issues with the decision....I suppose that they would. The stuff works and it's safe. It's also been on the market for many years so I'd say that they have a pretty legitimate gripe.

Let's take this one step farther. You may have noticed that some people are complaining that the cost of health care is getting out of hand. They are complaining that average people have to spend so much of their money on health care that they have a hard time affording things like food and housing. It occurs to me that this particular decision is an excellent example of just exactly why health care has become so expensive. See, the 'free market' was doing a fine job of keeping the cost of this particular medicine down so that it was accessible to everyone but this government decision will make that same drug more expensive and thus less accessible to ordinary people.

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Of course he delegated the authority to the EPA which he is using to attack the American people on several fronts.

Face it, Obama and his administration are a bunch of fascist assholes. And they have a deep-seated hatred for Americans. Plain and simple.

The EPA was obvioulsy funded by OBAMA's administration, right?

And it's only role is to obey every tiny little spiteful orders from the CURRENT POTUS, right?

Originally Posted by lutherf

Well....the FDA is part of HHS which is an Executive branch agency so the claim of the Obama administration making this decision is pretty much spot on. I doubt that Obama himself made this decision but such a claim was never really made by the OP.

As far as the company that makes Primatine having issues with the decision....I suppose that they would. The stuff works and it's safe. It's also been on the market for many years so I'd say that they have a pretty legitimate gripe.

Let's take this one step farther. You may have noticed that some people are complaining that the cost of health care is getting out of hand. They are complaining that average people have to spend so much of their money on health care that they have a hard time affording things like food and housing. It occurs to me that this particular decision is an excellent example of just exactly why health care has become so expensive. See, the 'free market' was doing a fine job of keeping the cost of this particular medicine down so that it was accessible to everyone but this government decision will make that same drug more expensive and thus less accessible to ordinary people.

Exept that, the ruling on this issue wasn't made under OBAMA's administration!
The whole issue involving products containing epinephrine began as far back as 2005, and the FINAL RULING took place in November 2008 (under whose administration?), with the final date to remove all products under that clause by December 31, 2011.

Please check your sources. Here is one:

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

Food and Drug Administration

21 CFR Part 2

[Docket No. FDA-2007-N-0314] (formerly 2007N-0262)
RIN 0910-AF92


Use of Ozone-Depleting Substances; Removal of Essential-Use
Designation (Epinephrine)

AGENCY: Food and Drug Administration, HHS.

ACTION: Final rule.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), after consultation
with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), is amending FDA's
regulation on the use of ozone-depleting substances (ODSs) in self-
pressurized containers to remove the essential-use designation for
epinephrine used in oral pressurized metered-dose inhalers (MDIs). The
Clean Air Act requires FDA, in consultation with the EPA, to determine
whether an FDA-regulated product that releases an ODS is an essential
use of the ODS. FDA has concluded that there are no substantial
technical barriers to formulating epinephrine as a product that does
not release ODSs, and therefore epinephrine would no longer be an
essential use of ODSs as of December 31, 2011. Epinephrine MDIs
containing an ODS cannot be marketed after this date.

DATES: This rule is effective December 31, 2011.


I tend to believe that YOU at least, are too smart to go for the hate BS spewed by some of your friends.

Originally Posted by Sadanie

Exept that, the ruling on this issue wasn't made under OBAMA's administration!
The whole issue involving products containing epinephrine began as far back as 2005, and the FINAL RULING took place in November 2008 (under whose administration?), with the final date to remove all products under that clause by December 31, 2011.

Please check your sources. Here is one:

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

Food and Drug Administration

21 CFR Part 2

[Docket No. FDA-2007-N-0314] (formerly 2007N-0262)
RIN 0910-AF92


Use of Ozone-Depleting Substances; Removal of Essential-Use
Designation (Epinephrine)

AGENCY: Food and Drug Administration, HHS.

ACTION: Final rule.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), after consultation
with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), is amending FDA's
regulation on the use of ozone-depleting substances (ODSs) in self-
pressurized containers to remove the essential-use designation for
epinephrine used in oral pressurized metered-dose inhalers (MDIs). The
Clean Air Act requires FDA, in consultation with the EPA, to determine
whether an FDA-regulated product that releases an ODS is an essential
use of the ODS. FDA has concluded that there are no substantial
technical barriers to formulating epinephrine as a product that does
not release ODSs, and therefore epinephrine would no longer be an
essential use of ODSs as of December 31, 2011. Epinephrine MDIs
containing an ODS cannot be marketed after this date.

DATES: This rule is effective December 31, 2011.


I tend to believe that YOU at least, are too smart to go for the hate BS spewed by some of your friends.

That decision was made under the assumption that a non-ODS epinephrine inhaler would be developed by 2012. But that hasn't happened yet. It's still under development. Now the Obama administration has siezed upon the opportunity to murder Americans.

Originally Posted by Sadanie

Exept that, the ruling on this issue wasn't made under OBAMA's administration!
The whole issue involving products containing epinephrine began as far back as 2005, and the FINAL RULING took place in November 2008 (under whose administration?), with the final date to remove all products under that clause by December 31, 2011.

Please check your sources. Here is one:

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

Food and Drug Administration

21 CFR Part 2

[Docket No. FDA-2007-N-0314] (formerly 2007N-0262)
RIN 0910-AF92


Use of Ozone-Depleting Substances; Removal of Essential-Use
Designation (Epinephrine)

AGENCY: Food and Drug Administration, HHS.

ACTION: Final rule.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), after consultation
with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), is amending FDA's
regulation on the use of ozone-depleting substances (ODSs) in self-
pressurized containers to remove the essential-use designation for
epinephrine used in oral pressurized metered-dose inhalers (MDIs). The
Clean Air Act requires FDA, in consultation with the EPA, to determine
whether an FDA-regulated product that releases an ODS is an essential
use of the ODS. FDA has concluded that there are no substantial
technical barriers to formulating epinephrine as a product that does
not release ODSs, and therefore epinephrine would no longer be an
essential use of ODSs as of December 31, 2011. Epinephrine MDIs
containing an ODS cannot be marketed after this date.

DATES: This rule is effective December 31, 2011.


I tend to believe that YOU at least, are too smart to go for the hate BS spewed by some of your friends.

Great, the ruling took place under the Bush administration. They aren't the ones in charge now but that's really not the important part. The important part of this is that government meddling with something that isn't broken is making this particular medication more expensive and government meddling in general is making health care in general more expensive.

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

That decision was made under the assumption that a non-ODS epinephrine inhaler would be developed by 2012. But that hasn't happened yet. It's still under development. Now the Obama administration has siezed upon the opportunity to murder Americans.

Don't you understand that your constant "dramatization" of the smallest item is taking away from any credibility you may have?

"Obama administration has SEIZED upon the opportunity to murder Americans!"

How ridiculous!

There are plenty of alternative options for people with asthma. In fact, if they want to stick with this specific one, they can still get it. . .but only with a doctor's prescription!

Again, 20% of people using this product SHOULDN'T use it as it is. At least, once a prescription will be required, ONLY people who REALLY need it will get it, and the others will have to use a less dangerous (for all) form of asthma relief.

And Obama has NOTHING to do with this, good or bad!

Originally Posted by lutherf

Great, the ruling took place under the Bush administration. They aren't the ones in charge now but that's really not the important part. The important part of this is that government meddling with something that isn't broken is making this particular medication more expensive and government meddling in general is making health care in general more expensive.

Wrong again, but I am tired of beating a dead horse.

So. . .keep on whining about a positive change. You brush aside factual information, and you focus on misleading information.

That is indeed your right. But it makes your postings a lot less interesting in my eyes. But don't mind me. . .keep on!

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Primatene Mist With Chlorofluorocarbons No Longer Available After Dec. 31, 2011

The Obama administration continues their war against the American people by pulling the only OTC asthma inhaler off the shelves.

Thousands of people use Primatine to instantly stop acute asthma attacks. And now to get an inhaler for asthma they will have to pay a doctor and buy a prescription inhaler that costs significantly more than Primatine.

What a bunch of fucking assholes. This decision could cause many Americans to die from asthma attacks.

This illustrates a number of things - the effect of ceding matters environmental to an international body, the additional costs that these things inevitably have on the most vulnerable (just go get a prescription, don't worry about the cost), and the ridiculous power an un-elected body has (EPA) over our daily lives.