Thread: Ron Paul's vision fer old peoples and children...

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

Yep, that would be great but what about the churches rather strict anti-gay stance or treating Muslims or worse yet Atheists? The Church doesn't have rules restricting who they can deny treatment from but a government run entity will and that's one of the basic flaws in the idea of relying on charitable organisations for something as vital as healthcare where refusal to treat for even a few days can mean life or death.

I have never heard of a church not helping someone cause they are Gay. I think you need to back that statement up.

Erm, the church is hardly the most open minded about such things. Heck the Vatican still doesn't allow women vicars let allone spending money on treating gay people and that uncertainty is my whole point. Sure some churches might be fine with it but get ill in a district with an ultra conservative church and you might not be in luck. Also if you are relying on charities what if the charities in a local area simply decide they don't like the look of you?
As I said in theory it might work but in the real world it just wont.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

Erm, the church is hardly the most open minded about such things. Heck the Vatican still doesn't allow women vicars let allone spending money on treating gay people and that uncertainty is my whole point. Sure some churches might be fine with it but get ill in a district with an ultra conservative church and you might not be in luck. Also if you are relying on charities what if the charities in a local area simply decide they don't like the look of you?
As I said in theory it might work but in the real world it just wont.

Not changing how a church runs and its message has nothing with its charities......So show me proof that they didn't give charity because someone was gay please.

My proof is that some of them don't even let gay people in the church if they are openly gay so it wouldn't shock me if they refused to pay for someone's treatment. I'm not saying it does happen I'm just saying it's a possibility and that's way to risky if you are asking for a system where people rely on charity for something as basic as healthcare.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

My proof is that some of them don't even let gay people in the church if they are openly gay so it wouldn't shock me if they refused to pay for someone's treatment. I'm not saying it does happen I'm just saying it's a possibility and that's way to risky if you are asking for a system where people rely on charity for something as basic as healthcare.

So you have no proof just hyperbolic crap. Got ya.

Coming from you that's quite stinging criticism given the hyperbolic stuff you spout. -

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

You are having a go at me for using hyperbole now are you? That's funny.

aww look you tried to turn it around and personalize it... alinski would be proud....To bad I have more intelligence than a dog.

Do you honestly think expecting people to rely on charity will work for healthcare? I'm going to be honest here and declare that I distrust the church (all churches) to be impartial in who they do and do not pay for that care.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

Do you honestly think expecting people to rely on charity will work for healthcare?

I expect people to work period and stop depending on others to get them through. I expect people to have some fucking pride.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

...To bad I have more intelligence than a dog.

I couldn't agree more.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

I expect people to work period and stop depending on others to get them through. I expect people to have some fucking pride.

What the hell has that got to do with anything? I'm on about how the nation pays for healthcare not about whether people work or not and what has pride got to do with this as well.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

What the hell has that got to do with anything? I'm on about how the nation pays for healthcare not about whether people work or not and what has pride got to do with this as well.

Thats the problem with people who grew up in a nanny state. You work and pay for your own healthcare....When the government gets involved prices go up and service gets shity.

I work and I pay for my own healthcare through my taxes and the NHS is not the crap hole that Fox would have you believe so what are you on about?