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Reply With QuoteIt's also not a choice to not have insurance when you can't afford it any more than it's a choice to not buy a Ferrari. It's only a choice if you are wealthy enough to make it.
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It's a favorite conservative talking point: people who don't have health insurance do just fine by relying on hospital emergency rooms. Of course the conservatives who make this point for some reason never choose to save thousands a year by actually relying on hospital emergency rooms themselves.
That's because it's a big lie conservatives use to cover over the fact that not insuring every citizen in the nation is immoral.
Here's reality:
A crane operator, Mr. Duran had been covered for years through his employer, but a simple paperwork oversight left him uninsured last year. Months later, he learned he had colon cancer, and spent roughly $7,000 on a colonoscopy and surgery — a reduced rate — using money he received from relatives and from selling some of his and his wife’s jewelry, including a 14-karat gold medallion of Jesus Christ.
“When you don’t have insurance, nobody listens to you,” said Mr. Duran, 51, who had been making about $50,000 annually but is now on disability. “It’s a powerless feeling. You feel like you’re an outcast. You feel that you’re homeless without insurance.”
Secretary of Defense
It's also not a choice to not have insurance when you can't afford it any more than it's a choice to not buy a Ferrari. It's only a choice if you are wealthy enough to make it.
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jpn: thanks for proving the point that people would rather game the system and take the handout than you know actually make moeny and pay their bills:
In an ordinary world, Josh Hebert would have accepted the raises his employer offered.
But in the extraordinary world of the uninsured, he has not only turned down the pay increases at the bank where he works, but has twice asked for a pay cut — so that he and his wife’s ill 7-year-old daughter can qualify for government-sponsored children’s health insurance.
By keeping his income low, he and his wife, Kyla, are able to ensure that their daughter continues to have health coverage. The parents remain uninsured themselves, like thousands of others in this working-class refinery town outside Houston. Thirty-three percent of the population here lacks medical insurance.
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The morons who support Obamacare don't have a freaking clue about what really goes on but they sure want to act like we're the idiots. The reason that Obamacare is even so popular is because we have a class of lazy fools who want to suck off the government's tit instead of trying improve themselves...but hey, they really don't give a shit that the country is going to hell in a handbasket because of their socialistic ideals....as long as they don't have to think for themselves, they're happy.Originally Posted by tsquare
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ahoy Tsquare,
i read that bit too.
the only thing i could make 'o it be this; the cost 'o healthcare must be very high if a laddy would turn down raise so he could keep his daughter on government funded healthcare.
i'd consider it "gaming the system" if this couple lived in a 1 million dollar home, they both had cadillac quality healthcare plans themselves, and were only pausin' between bites 'o beluga washed down with Cristal to consider thar next gambit to fleece the american taxpayer.
thats not the case though.
apparently the person depicted in the OP had just paid fer his own cancer treatment outta his own pocket and be livin' in economic duress.
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Please post one quote where a conservative has said 'people do just fine by relying on emergency rooms' and that this is 'the same as health insurance'. Your premise is false.
Secretary of Defense
I just threw up on your beautiful white couch. (on purpose !)
Your remarks seem a bit strong ! Guess I'm one of the morons !
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Are you saying that joining the World Trade Organization was a socialist idea?
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I don't own a white couch....it's navy blue and right now I have two grandchildren and a kitten playing on it.I just threw up on your beautiful white couch. (on purpose !)
Your remarks seem a bit strong ! Guess I'm one of the morons !
I cannot believe that anyone, including some very educated, yet obviously very stupid relatives of mine, doesn't see how wrong Obamacare is. If you can afford to buy insurance and you don't, you'll pay a "tax". If you can't afford insurance, you can bypass the "tax" by claiming financial hardship AND you're still covered by Medicaid. How is that fair??? As far as that goes, how is it fair that before my promotion, my co-worker who made the same amount of money per hour that I did was able to get free healthcare through Medicaid, government subsidized housing, food stamps and child support for herself and her two teenage daughters and I qualified for nothing because my kids were grown? After my promotion, I was able to purchase insurance but I work my ass off (at least 60 hours/week) because I know that if I don't, the government isn't going to do anything to help a 51 y/o white widow who owns a house....that's the penalty for working your ass off for over 30 years.
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Likewise, liberals say that health insurance is health care. And that governments guarantee that citizens get all the health care they need. both are dishonest.
Vice President
If ACA works as well as Medicare in terms of Health Care, I'm all for it.
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Medicare as it is now, or Medicare as it has to be to be sustainable?
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Medicare works so well that 80% of those with it buy more coverage with a supplemental policy.
Vice President
Absolutely, and for my M-I-L Medicare covered over 90% of whatever happened because the hospital staff knew what they were doing.
Medicare is rather explicit about their coverage and unlike private health insurance hucksters doesn't change what it covers on a daily basis and doesn't deny MDS treatment.
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