Of course they regarded you as an invader. That's what you were doing was it not? Invading their country? What the hell did you expect?

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i find this report from chinese most famous website forum titled china-vietnam war
http://bbs.yournet.cn/cgi-bin/forums...orum=3&show=25

this is website forum funded by chinese folk persons, in this website forum , many netiziens are just chinese veterans who had attened that war, they often gather here to recall their war experience and write many chapters on that real war. this forum is not influenced by chinese government .

i think ,you can not find this kind of forum in vietnam, because vietnam government does not permit the existence of it in vietnam.

i only get chinese edition of this report offered by a chinese netizien , i have no english edition of this report available, several days ago , i translate the chinese edition of this report into english for exchanges with some foregin friends .

it does not worry

if you can understand chinese language ,welcome you to the website forum i just mentioned , you will learn a lot real truth about this war or can conduct exchanges with chinese veterans who had attened that war .

in this forum, we learned many chinese victories and some failures in the battle field ,which has never been seen from chinese official reports before.

you can also almost believe this forum, in this forum, many netiziens often criticise chinese government that it does not give good care & treatment to chinese veteran who had attened china-vietnam war

sorry ,i have no original english edition of this report , i translate chinese edition of this report from the website into english edition

about the reason for that war, i have said a lot in my posts ,please read them again carefully.

i have meet with many vietname persons, they almost are not willing to mention china-vietnam war .
"in fact it is China that has been hush hush about the war. "
here by , i can almost introduce you many websites reporting that war in china

http://bwl.jschina.com.cn/war79/index.html
http://www.jun-ge.com/forum2/cgi-bin/forums.cgi?forum=1
http://www.laoshanlan.com/zrls.htm
http://www.meifeizys.com/

。。。。。

These websites are all china-vietnam war website forum
to tell you the truth, China that has not been hush hush about the war. ,but also china-vietnam war is always a hot topic in china .
in contrast with china,
could you find a website forum about china--vietnam war in vietnam ?

now i introduce you other websites from other countries for your reference
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/charl...ietnam1979.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/sino-vietnamese-war

i wish you can get real reasons for this war from these websites outside of china and vietname .

but we are not really invader ,after we successfully taught vietnam a lesson ,our chinese army left that country without occupying any land soon.

in contrast with some country,s in today,s world, some" big country " is not always willing to withdraw troops from other countries , in spite of serious criticise from home and abroad .their troop continus to stay in other country after war.

who is really invader ??

chinese has a old saying " if others does not offened us, we would not like to offend others ,if other s offend us, we would like to offened others .

vietnam made troubles along china-vietnam border and maltreated chinese who live in vietnam , which was enough excuse for our teaching it a lesson .

generally speaking, however, big hegemony such as u.s.a or small hegemony such as vietnam , if they offend us, we will give them firm counter -attack & self defense .
since korea war in1950s, we are always not fearful of u.s.a.

then,countinue read the topic after take a rest.this is forgotten war.it's a puzzle war.

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85318531,nice expression,Thanks for your posts!you have done a good job.your artillery support.cheers!
do you consider we need invite veteran join this board?i think some of them good at english.such as "Song Maoling(松毛岭)“,that guy seems often visit foreign country,i remember he said he have a plan visit Vietnam.and what about hjf1390(who's avatar is a WWII Germany soldier, http://www.jun-ge.com/forum2/non-cgi...6631333930.jpg),this guy likes argue anything as gort.i think gort and hjf1390 will like each other.



Gort,i think you meet your match this time.enjoy yourself when you discuss this topic with my friend.

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this is not important.
what we want to tell you is "they were not ordinary civilian,they were armed persons".Chinese didn't did masscre in Vietnam.

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winter 6126 ,we only want to help friends from u.s.a. know the real fact about that war.

in1960s , we help vietnam to fight against invasion from u.s.a ., when vietnam become united , vietnamese become ungrateful and regarded china as vietnamese enemy. although china was very poor in 1960s , china offered vietnam assistance valued at USD 20 BILLION !!!!
In recent years ,vietnam government has to accepts the fact that vietnam got most help from china when they fought against u.s.a. .
how could vietnamese used the guns offered by china to kill and maltreat chinese before china-vietnam war? i feel sad for this, i really feel sad for the damage of china -vietnam traditional friendship !!!!

in the year of 1979 ,u .s.a jime kater government obviously support chinese teaching vietnam a lesson , later u.s a. president -- Mr.li con also said in 1980s " china is our intimate communism alliance "
but when cold war was ended , the most people in u.s.a regard china as their biggest potential enemy ,and begin to criticise chinese war on vietnam . i really feel puzzled about this.

vietnamese , the people in u.s.a are all the same in nature , when they need china , they regard china as their friend, when they do not need china , they begin to regard china as their enemy . their viewpoints on the real china are up to their national interest.

in chinese culture , our chinese hate the people who are ungrateful mostly , and always keep the sincere friends in our chinese mind, such as Dr,Bethiuen from Canada , General Nade Chen from u.s.a..

well,your post is very good.i agree with some views of your post.some i disagree
and i think gort and other american don't understand Asia culture,espeacially China culture.so he doesn't know this Chinese saying real mean:if others does not offened us, we would not like to offend others ,if other s offend us, we would like to offened others(人不犯我，我不犯人，人若犯我，我必犯人).

and how can you make westerner understand "whereever you.if you offened China,we will find you and punish you(犯我强汉者，虽远必诛）“.(我不知道怎么翻译才好，但我想不能翻译得太直接，太血腥了，至少诛这 个字不能直译成kill吧）our Valus and culture is different from westerner.

and how can you make westerner understand Asian hate the guys who treachery.
if they don't understand Asia and China culture,then they don't understand this war.this is the principal points.

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i sing slightly,you echo slowly
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we once cried
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i wish you can rember forever
we once had shining days

Sine I can't read Chinese and that is all the source information provided by the Chinese poster claiming the articles were from AP and Reuters, I did the next best thing. I figured if they were in fact legitimate articles I should be able to find them in an archive search of the english language version of the China Daily. Guess what? No such luck. In fact the only reference to the Sino Vietnam war was on small article linked to here. What I found particularly funny, and also telling about the Chinese psyche, was the fact that they are convinced their loss in that war led directly to the fall of the Soviet Union.

Imagine the suprise of the Reagan supporters to this remarkable news.

While I only found the one story in the Chinadaily on the war with Vietnam, curiously I found at least 10 stories in the same time period about the US war with Vietnam, 3 stroeis about the Korean War, 3 stroeis about WWII, and one prediction that in the next 50 years the US and China will actually be allies as China faces the muslim threat from its western provinces and the US faces a resurgent threat from Japan. While I do believe China has a problem on its western edge, the concept of the US and Japan fighting another conflict is frankly just more evidence of the hatred we have seen exhibited on this board for the Japanese. I saw no references to the Sino Indian War.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_374636.htm

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_344924.htm

So it would appear that the reporting of the Sino Vietnamese war is not all that prevalent in China despite what we have been told.

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there is no match here winter, merely another Chinise comming in posting whatever they feel like without being able to provide sources we can use to verify. I can't read Chinese so for all I know the links he provided could be calling the Pope Chinas best friend.

Anyone is free to make any assertion they wish on this board, that is one of the nice things about the ability to say what you want when you want to without worrying about who is reading it, but if you want people to take you seriously you have to provide sources in a way that can be understood in the language spoken by most people on the board. I know you two struggle with English so I do not really say much when you sentances come out a little like propoganda films of the 50's. You are trying, and I can usually understand what it is you are trying to say and that is the important part. However source information in English, or German, would be helpful.

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What is there to understand. You do not make friends or play with others well? I in fact do understand this. The traits you are describing here are traits usually associated with a severe insecurity issue. I mean how stupid is it to say, if you offend me I will hurt you. Good lord that is childrens thinking, not mature adults. So because you felt somehow slighted by Vietnam that justifies invading their country? Winter if this is in fact the general feeling in China, then it is clear that you are not yet ready to join the community of nations as an equal member.

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