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Re: The moon landing

Was The Apollo Moon Landing Fake?
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The questions don't stop there. Outer space is awash with deadly radiation that emanates from solar flares firing out from the sun. Standard astronauts orbiting earth in near space, like those who recently fixed the Hubble telescope, are protected by the earth's Van Allen belt. But the Moon is to 240,000 miles distant, way outside this safe band. And, during the Apollo flights, astronomical data shows there were no less than 1,485 such flares.
According to the above comment the Van Allen belt does protect within it's mask.


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At an emergency meeting of Congress, President Kennedy proposed the ultimate face saver, put a man on the Moon. With an impassioned speech he secured the plan an unbelievable 40 billion dollars. And so, says Rene (and a growing number of astro-physicists are beginning to agree with him), the great Moon hoax was born.
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WarOn... you are very far from science now after reading web propaganda sites.

Van Allen belts protect us here on earth and also protect those space flights that have orbit altitude of less than 500 km. Even in that altituted the astronauts have reported problems caused by radiation (sight problems). Skylab has never been outside this belt, but inside where the protection is. Only 0.1 % from deadly cosmic radiation can penetrate through the belt. Outside of the belt is a radiation hell.

The Van Allen belts are protecting us, but at the same time cosmic radiation is "accumulating" in that zone. This means that the radiation is much more intensive there than in space. Therefore a human cannot pass these belts and stay alive. Again, outside of the belts (as on moon) cosmic radiation is deadly especially during solar bursts which happened to be very intensive especially during the latest Apollos. A man cannot survive without thick lead shielding in space and on moon. This technology has prevented any attempts to plan manned moon missions.

From the picture below you can understand what I tried to explain few posts ago. NASA explained how they did not go through the belts but went around them. You know that moon is orbiting on the earth equatorial plane (over equator). This means that they went outwards from the north pole. This is a rediculous explanation. The physicists have calculated that the energy that Saturn 5 had was definitely not enough for a moon trip and back. If they went first to a completely wrong direction when going round Van Allen belts, they should have needed at least 30 % more energy. Satur 5 rocket was developed for transporting Skylab to the low earth orbit and there the energy need is a small fraction what is needed to escape earths gravity, escape moon gravity and slow down when coming back as much energy is needed. I repeat thet the radiation scientists have never mentioned that man has been on the moon - they know the truth.

Here some opinions taken from political reviews (I don't comment):
The interesting question is that what was the mission of Apollo. First of all it was a Cold War show because Soviets had had tremedous success in space research and USA was nothing but war monger in Asia (fight from hearts and minds of world's population). Secondly it was a show by which US military collected billions from US tax payers to purposes which were probaly related to military use of space. The main concern at that time was that Soviets will construct space weapons.
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WarOn... you are very far from science now after reading web propaganda sites.
Astronomy and the standard theory on particle physics are web propaganda now ? If anyone's sources are dubious, I would suggest youtube and the likes fit the bill to a tee.

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Van Allen belts protect us here on earth and also protect those space flights that have orbit altitude of less than 500 km.
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The Van Allen belts are protecting us, but at the same time cosmic radiation is "accumulating" in that zone.
Correct. And because the radiation is accumulating inside the belts, it follows that the radiaton outside the belts (in any direction) is lower.

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Even in that altituted the astronauts have reported problems caused by radiation (sight problems).
Slight problems, yes.

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This means that the radiation is much more intensive there than in space.
Exactly. Now you've got it.
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Therefore a human cannot pass these belts and stay alive.
This doesn't follow logically from your previous premise. The calculations were offered which show that the radiation is indeed higher within the belts but not of a magnitude to make them unsurpassable. If you continue to claim such, please provide the nature of the radiation, the particles involved and a quantified process that proves this.

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Outside of the belt is a radiation hell[...] Again, outside of the belts (as on moon) cosmic radiation is deadly especially during solar bursts which happened to be very intensive especially during the latest Apollos.
This is in direct contradiction with your previous statement which I took the liberty to underline.
Anyway, it's simply false. It's the earth's magnetic field that ionizes and traps the particles in the belts. Where the intensity of this field is lower or absent, there is no medium through which particles can becomes ionized or trapped. Therefore, outside the belts, the radiation is much lower and in no way a 'hell'. The only place in the solar system, outside the sun's proximity where radiation is indeed a hell, is in the direct vicinity of Jupiter and the reason is analogous to the Van Allen belts; the gargantuan magnetic field of Jupiter.
Once again, how do you explain this alleged radiation hell ? Which field (gravitational, electromagnetic, weak force, strong force, Higgs,...) is responsable for it and what is the mechanism ?

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A man cannot survive without thick lead shielding in space and on moon.
Nonsense. A millimeter of aluminium is enough to capture most of the energetic particles, i.o.w. to reduce the flux to accaptabel levels.

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From the picture below you can understand what I tried to explain few posts ago. NASA explained how they did not go through the belts but went around them. You know that moon is orbiting on the earth equatorial plane (over equator).
The moon does no such thing. It follows the ecliptic more or less and not the equatorial plane of Earth. If it were equatorial there would be very few eclipses as is easily understandable. This is astronomy 101, dude.

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Satur 5 rocket was developed for transporting Skylab to the low earth orbit
A chronological impossibility. The C-5 (later Saturn V) was announced on Jan. 10th 1962, when Skylab was not even conceived of.
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THE TETHER INCIDENT
Look at this.. You can clearly see ufo's in the background.. Not little UFO's big one's 2-3 miles long. When asked about the evidence Nasa exclaims it was debris in the camera lense.. The tether experiment was an energy tether that went bad.. The tether is 12 miles long and the pictures clearly show the object's suddenly appear out of nowhere when the tether snapped exibiting a great display of energy.

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Some of the UFOs can be measured as they pass "behind" the 12-mile long Tether (using the tether as a relative measuring device) at over 3 miles in diameter, making them "Idependence Day" sized craft. The very fact that the UFOs clealy pass "behind" the 12-mile long Tether and not infront of it, eliminate the possibility of an optical illusion created when a small object passes infront of the camera relative to a far distant background object. Because the facts are clearly visible, these giant discs cannot be smaller than 2-3 miles in diameter.
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UFO case, involving NORAD (1995) - Google Video
I got mega harassed and they even tried to arrest me at my house because of my knowledge of UFO's.... I got into it with the Airport because aircraft were intentially buzzing my house and they would do other things to harass me like follow me or some stranger making outloud personal comments.. An Airport cop actually came to my house in an International Airport Car and told me I was under arrest because I got into arguements with them about the air traffic. I shoved him and told him to get off my property.. Realizing he was outmatched and wrong he never came back.. There is no length they go to in a cover up.. I just saw a ufo and new alot about them not to mention I've had very close conscious contact with UFO's and observed and documented unusual events.. Can you imagine what lengths they'd go to if the moon landing is a hoax........
These jerks here tried to arrest me at my house:
Tucson Airport Authority
I was angry because multiple aircraft had been buzzing my house. I used to have a ufo site and I researched UFO's -- They are very real..
I tried to sue the government myself because of there wrong doings.. I don't have alot of money and you know they would not give me the forms to do it even if I could represent myself.. The government lies and cheats the system they hide deep within private monies they steal from you.. Truth.. That's a fat laugh..... Even though I'm an honest citizen the police department will not represent me as a normal citizen to this day after events that took place and occurrences I tried to expose. Ignorant American's that hang their head over their beers all day get treated better. What a total insult and loss of justice.

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Stanton Friedman personally emailed me one day but I was too shooken up to get involved and did not represent myself well.. If I wouldn't have been harassed I may have been able to present a good case of ongoing UFO activities and my cases may have been better conducted for exposure to the public. In case you don't know who Stanton Friedman is, he set up a freedom of information act project to try to uncover many x-files like that of Area-51 and Roswell.. They have an entire division within the Air Force which tries to cover-up UFO Events and they were responsible for the Phoenix Lights cover up where luminious unknown lights as depicted by Village Labratories exposed key evidence in the events that took place. The government alleges that they were illumination flares. There were illumination flares, but that was part of the cover-up after a huge UFO Event withnessed by thousands. Large UFOs not little tiny one's you all think about..

Even with the freedom of information act the government hides the truth.. They did the same thing with 911 when firefighters and other victims tried to get information. They are real good about burying the truth. Even with the laws of the constitution. The constition can not be exercised if it's to expose governent officials in many cases.

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I got mega harassed and they even tried to arrest me at my house because of my knowledge of UFO's.... I got into it with the Airport because aircraft were intentially buzzing my house and they would do other things to harass me like follow me or some stranger making outloud personal comments.. An Airport cop actually came to my house in an International Airport Car and told me I was under arrest because I got into arguements with them about the air traffic. I shoved him and told him to get off my property.. Realizing he was outmatched and wrong he never came back.. There is no length they go to in a cover up.. I just saw a ufo and new alot about them not to mention I've had very close conscious contact with UFO's and observed and documented unusual events.. Can you imagine what lengths they'd go to if the moon landing is a hoax........
These jerks here tried to arrest me at my house:
Tucson Airport Authority
I was angry because multiple aircraft had been buzzing my house. I used to have a ufo site and I researched UFO's -- They are very real..
I tried to sue the government myself because of there wrong doings.. I don't have alot of money and you know they would not give me the forms to do it even if I could represent myself.. The government lies and cheats the system they hide deep within private monies they steal from you.. Truth.. That's a fat laugh..... Even though I'm an honest citizen the police department will not represent me as a normal citizen to this day after events that took place and occurrences I tried to expose. Ignorant American's that hang their head over their beers all day get treated better. What a total insult and loss of justice.
and then the government denies this ever happended.....I dont really blame the government tho...they are just trying to avoid mass hysteria.... I think there are plenty of kooks that would freak out if they knew we were being visited by extraterestrials. even if the us came out and said Roswell was real and a UFO did crash wouldnt that make rival nations heads jerk due to the technology that was or might have been gained from the crash?

I think the negitives weigh much hire then the positves for the goverment to confirm that we are being visited by biengs from another planet.

I believe in UFO's and Aliens... because i saw one....it was one of the most weirdest and frightining things i have ever seen. as far as i know military aircrafts cant just go into water and swim.
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and then the government denies this ever happended.....I dont really blame the government tho...they are just trying to avoid mass hysteria.... I think there are plenty of kooks that would freak out if they knew we were being visited by extraterestrials. even if the us came out and said Roswell was real and a UFO did crash wouldnt that make rival nations heads jerk due to the technology that was or might have been gained from the crash?

I think the negitives weigh much hire then the positves for the goverment to confirm that we are being visited by biengs from another planet.

I believe in UFO's and Aliens... because i saw one....it was one of the most weirdest and frightining things i have ever seen. as far as i know military aircrafts cant just go into water and swim.
Nobody ever approached me that way.. I was treated hostile and they violated my rights. I was fascinated by them.. The government took my livelyhood out of my youth. I had all kinds of aspirations to become a robotics technician and to develope alternative sciences.. They completly harassed me and through great lengths. They never ever let up.. No one ever took me aside and said hey Neal I'm with the Air Force Project or Men in Black or what ever.. They harassed and bullied me.. I dug deeper into the truth.. It's wrong what they are doing. And it's not just UFO's.. You just don't know..
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See American's always prejudge.. How do you know that? Let's just take the incident as it happened.. They were here for a reason.. Especially in my case.. You don't know that and what could have happened.. The government is not stable they are very hostile and corrupt. Everything from elections to oil and so on. They use events such as Hitler but they contradict themselves and harass honest citizens.. As long as currupt leaders rule there is no justice, no fairness, and no evolution. We are dieing as a society. Not just the US the whole world is. Why would UFO's be so bad? I like to choose my own decisions in life.. Freedom is part of my rights. The government has no right to dictate me.
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If a 40 Billion dollar lies is exposed so what? I proved the government is not about constitional rights and is a privitized dictatorship.
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I've seen both.
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I have an abduction scar on my left leg..
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See American's always prejudge.. How do you know that? Let's just take the incident as it happened.. They were here for a reason.. Especially in my case.. You don't know that and what could have happened.. The government is not stable they are very hostile and corrupt. Everything from elections to oil and so on. They use events such as Hitler but they contradict themselves and harass honest citizens.. As long as currupt leaders rule there is no justice, no fairness, and no evolution. We are dieing as a society. Not just the US the whole world is. Why would UFO's be so bad? I like to choose my own decisions in life.. Freedom is part of my rights. The government has no right to dictate me.
Ok dude....i thought you were some kind of a scientific ufo researcher but now you are coming off as a nut....

I have seen a real UFO before and after i saw it i took an interest into the UFO thing....Your story sounds like you have MIB's after you and i dont know if i buy it......i mean i know what i saw was real and i dont bring it up unless the subject is broght up and even then i dont know if i feel comfortable with talking about what i had seen. dude i think you have seen toomany x files re runs....please disreguard my message.
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