LOL! The above article must be the real transscript. I never did believe that Americans could get exited about anything without saying fuck all the time.

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Of course the Saturn V was used and astronauts onboard. However, Saturn V was planned to transport major modules to the earth orbit - it was much too weak to transport major objects to the moon orbit. According to Werhner Braun, the biggest obstacle in moon flights is the enormous size of the rocket ... it will take long time to construct such. The moon capsule and landing systems with extensive cosmic radiation protection will weight a hundred tons. Think how big is the rocket transporting the space shuttle to a very low earth orbit - you must put many of such together to escape the earth gravity (the real planetary satellites are very small - only few tens of kilograms - and whenever you get out from the earth gravity you can travel for free to planets e.g. exploiting their gravitation).

The Apollo astronauts were in a program serving military industry. The biggest problem in USA those times was that Soviets launhed several satellites every day and USA did not have resources to develop space science and satellites. USA was extremely worried that Soviets use space as place for resting nuclear bombs which could then be dropped to USA whenever required. Thus the money was used to military but a different - more popular story was told to people (this has long time been a tradition in USA ... people are fooled to pay to military).

There are hundreds of catastrophic errors in the Apollo material ... major traps. Like they had sun and earth rises (different altitudes) in pictures ... a problem is that there are no such events in moon in this timeframe. Missing stars, extra light sources, curious g-forces, film operating in extreme cold/heat, etc. They took only one picture from the earth - and it was originally taken by a geostationary weather satellite. In some moon pictures you can see that the earth was added to the original photo by copy/pasting a square area with earth - if you manipulate the picture with your image processing software by adding luminosity etc., you can see the square easily. In many videos which were taken on the way to moon you can see bright light from the windows ... this is earth from low altitude orbit (so Armstrong was really telling a big lie when saying in a video that they are close to moon - earth shining behind the window).

I understood the fake moon landing when reading scientific geophysical articles about cosmic radiation - they mentioned that a human being has tried to go close to the van Allen Belts about 500 km from earth surface but the radiation problem interrupted the attempt. Then they wrote that no man has ever gone beyond that. Solar radiation in moon is intolerable and even with new protection technology man cannot walk on the moon surface. Several scientists just ignored even the possibility of moon walks.

Okay, but can you show how much closer? Did you take into account the fact that the shot changed, as well? Have you found the exact dimensions of the space suit from front to back, the distance between the camera and the flag and exactly where the astronaut was located at the time of the video? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Your presenting a video to us that shows an astronaut walk right in front of a flag, obscuring any potential contact, then saying he didn't make contact (with no proof), then saying that because of this non-proof, the rest of it didn't happen. I hope you can understand my skepticism of your claims.
No, it's not clear, because any potential contact is obscured by the astronaut. If you had a flag all of a sudden start waving out of nowhere, that's one thing. But if you have a flag slightly move when an astronaut walks directly in front of it, it's logical to conclude that the astronaut simply brushed the flag, rather than there being a big conspiracy.

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I'm not even sure of where to start with this, there is so much wrong...

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contrary to stereotype a lot of us almost never use the word.

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Personally, I think the staging of the landing was all fake.

The fact that he's way too far from the flag to be able to touch it is enough. If it's that obvious, there's no need to do exact measurements.

I hope this doesn't offend you but I want to see how objective you are.

Take a look at this thread from the Clavius forum.
ApolloHoax.net - The Dust-Free Sand Issue

Jay Windley and those regular posters there have a foregone conclusion and they distort science to fit their foregone conclusion. They made a big blunder when they took that stand which is explained in that thread.

I'd like to hear your opinion of the issue raised there.

This is who Jay Windley is in case anybody doesn't know.
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author

This is the Clavius site.
Clavius Moon Base - debunking the moon hoax

This is the Clavius forum.
ApolloHoax.net - Home

This thread shows how objective Jay Windley is. I'd like to hear your opinion of this too.
ApolloHoax.net - A question for Jay Windley

His post is the fourth one from the top.

What? It's not a "fact" at all. You have no measurements and you need to have those if you're going to try and discredit the entire moon landing with this evidence. Saying "see, it looks like he doesn't touch the flag, so the moon landing is fake" isn't going to convince anyone.

The astronauts slower movements also indicate he is in very low gravity. Many moon landing conspiracy theorists say this is because the film was slowed down. Speed up the film in that clip and the flag moves unnaturally. Leave the film speed how it is, and it's impossible to account for the astronauts movement, other than him being in low gravity.
I'm not objective at all. Like many others, I saw that FOX show a few years back, thought "What the fuck?!" and went about researching the whole thing. Through that research I am very much convinced that the moon landings were real and that the conspiracy theories are based on a lack of understanding of science and cherry picking facts.
I am familiar with Jay, yes. He is an intelligent person who knows his stuff very well and he seems to have handled you correctly. I'm not sure how my opinion of Jay has anything to do with the moon landings, though.

Any other reason why you think the landings are fake? Your case so far has been quite underwhelming.

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The only thing about the moon landing I doubt, is if the footage was real or not.
I could believe that the film was made prior to make the whole operation more sensational than just an audio or text message "We have landed on the moon!"
Considering that the Nasa Archive managed to loose the actuall film recently (at a time when old footage gets remastered to HD quality)

But the actuall Project was by far to big to be part of a conspiracy.
If it would have never happend, I am sure that the KGB would have debunked the conspiracy...

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Is there anything about the footage that raises doubts for you? It looks quite authentic to me.

And about NASA losing the original moon landing footage, they still have the original footage for Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16 & 17. Seems to me, if they were afraid something would be revealed in the conversion to HD, they'd 'lose' these videos, as well.

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Well... I dunno, I am somehow sceptical that the cameras & transmission technology of the time were able to send an live images without using too much space & weight in the craft.
But as I said, that is the only part where I HAVE slight doubts...

What's on the footage is believeable Especially considering images send by the japanese moon probe Kaguya recently: Earthrise/set


Oh haven't thought about those... Well I sure hope they convert them soon then

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Look at the 22 second mark where the astronaut is as about as far from the flag as he is when he goes past it at the 2 minute 35 second mark.
YouTube - Apollo 15 waving flag

Look how many steps he has to take to get to where he's next to the flag. Look at the difference in body size because of the different distances to the camera.
It's more than obvious that he is too far from the flag to touch it at the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video. If you can't see this it's because you are trying awfully hard not to see it.

This is a very vague statement.
Jay Windley and those other regular posters at Clavius made a big blunder.
ApolloHoax.net - The Dust-Free Sand Issue

They said that just transporting and placing dust-free sand would cause enough erosion to create enough dust to cause a dust cloud when the sand is driven over. This is so obviously wrong that even layman can see it. If you explain this situation to anyone with a background in geology, he or she will probably laugh out loud.

No objective scientist would duck a question the way he did here.
ApolloHoax.net - A question for Jay Windley

It looks to me that he works for the government and has to agree with the official version of everything no matter how silly it is.

Let's hear your opinion of these issues in detail.

Do you want to make an investigation about the moon hoax? Do the next and tell what is your result:

1) Go to the page:
Moon

2) Download the picture (Ascent Stage Returns: NASA photo AS11-44-6642...) where you see Moon from its orbit and the landing module.

3) Open the picture with Office Picture Manager (click right mouse button and select that by selecting "Open with" and then selecting Office Picture Manager from the menu).

4) Select "Edit pictures" from the upper panel.

5) Zoom the + maximum amount (+ - bar below) keeping the Earth in the picture.

6) Select "Brightness and contrast and increase contrast by 50 and "Midtone" by 50. You may also go back (arrow) and select "Color" and then "Saturation" and increase it up to 100.

7) Tell everybody what do you see.

8) You can browse all the Apollo pictures similarily, but the latest pictures have been re-processed and this cannot be seen anymore.

yea here we are 28 yars later and the whoooolle goverment aparatus that had to have a part in it, umpteen employees, contractors etc.....all have kept their secret........you guys really need to get a grip...


personally I think the moon is one big hunk of swiss cheese...

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Here is the result of the image processing made from the NASA published image 6643 (link below). What you can see is that the Earth has been added to the image by copy-paste and you can see the selection square which clearly originates from another image. The grey area is sky of the original image and the colored are has been copied from elsewhere. If you analyse the Apollo pictures similarly you can see that there are clear signs of image manipulation in many of them. Why did NASA produce fake Moon images? Of course we know that Hasselblad camera did not work in the Moon conditions. But why this was not said? We also know that US Government had difficulties to finance their star war plans and USSR had developed sophisticated space weapons. Was Apollo actually a program financing US star war plans?

There are many video clips in the web showing the original films taken from Apollo capsule and one of them show how Armstrong falsified the earth from the way to Moon by fixing a weather satellite image transparent to the capsule window and filming that in a dark capsule - then they put lights on and remove the transparent and earth is very close behind the window. Why this trick - and they said that they were on Moon orbit next day ... it was not possible.

Why in the only speech Armstrong ever had he said that "now we have demonstrated how to carry out a Moon flight and now you younger generation should implement the plan". In video collections (Youtube, etc) there are shots from the "worst ever press conference" of the Apollo team ... it has been a torturing experience to those poor men ... they never went to the Moon but had to pretend, I guess.

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