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Re: The moon landing

Could a simular hoax be pulled of with a mission to Mars considering the special effects available?

The reason I find it questionable is found in the details. Previous landing before men actually stepped onto the planet show "footprints" of the base of the ship. After two years, supposedly, there was no sign of disturbance from dust or material that constantly batters the moons surface.
Not to mention one piece of evidence that, unfortunately, I can not share with you.
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Re: The moon landing

Also, you ever think of the "not natural progression" of the space program. I mean, we get to the moon! WOW. and then its like "hey! Ever seen reality tv" It almost seems like we're trying to catch up to what we "acheived" in the past. Hell, we're still blowing up on take-offs and re-entries.
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Re: The moon landing

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Could a simular hoax be pulled of with a mission to Mars considering the special effects available?
If the evidence of going to mars was based purely on video, than yes. However, this is not the case. Besides special effects, you'd need to fake scientific data well enough to fool any scientist that reviews it. You'd also need to fool everyone involved in the project.
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The reason I find it questionable is found in the details. Previous landing before men actually stepped onto the planet show "footprints" of the base of the ship.
You mean to say that there were footprints on the ground before astronauts set foot on it? Can you provide a picture, please? Preferably with the NASA reference number still stamped on it, so I can find exactly when and where the picture was taken on the mission?
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After two years, supposedly, there was no sign of disturbance from dust or material that constantly batters the moons surface.
I'm a little unclear what you mean here. After two years?
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Well, that makes it awfully hard for me to refute it, doesn't it?
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Re: The moon landing

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Also, you ever think of the "not natural progression" of the space program. I mean, we get to the moon! WOW. and then its like "hey! Ever seen reality tv" It almost seems like we're trying to catch up to what we "acheived" in the past. Hell, we're still blowing up on take-offs and re-entries.
I'm not sure how any of this is proof that we didn't land on the moon. The aging space shuttle fleet has very little to do with getting to the moon and back.
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Well, that makes it awfully hard for me to refute it, doesn't it?
Why, yes. Yes it does.

Fact is, if there was ever any hard proof we wouldn't be goofing off now. There never will be any unless someone just fesses up, and even then people won't be apt to believe it. We see that everyday-weapons of mass destruction, global warming, pro wrestling.
But if it is a fake, then we all deserve to be the fools that we are with no protest. I just smell the faintest fish, and fish kaint live on the moon, so something is ever so slightly amiss. In my opinion (which counts for squat.
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Why, yes. Yes it does.

Fact is, if there was ever any hard proof we wouldn't be goofing off now. There never will be any unless someone just fesses up, and even then people won't be apt to believe it. We see that everyday-weapons of mass destruction, global warming, pro wrestling.
But if it is a fake, then we all deserve to be the fools that we are with no protest. I just smell the faintest fish, and fish kaint live on the moon, so something is ever so slightly amiss. In my opinion (which counts for squat.
Well, I'm at least pleased that you didn't come in here with the basic laundry list of "Why We Didn't Land On The Moon!"

If you just have suspicions for whatever reason, that's fine and I couldn't possibly convince you otherwise. If there's a specific thing that makes you unsure about the whole thing, I'd be happy to help you out.
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But the aging fleet and the less than "stellar" achievements of NASA just doesn't fit the mold of an agency that put a man on the moon. Is there no part of your being that feels the slightest "something" about it?
By the way, do you remember that seen in "diamonds Are Forever"?
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But the aging fleet and the less than "stellar" achievements of NASA just doesn't fit the mold of an agency that put a man on the moon.
Less than 'stellar'?! NASA has done many, many incredibly things since putting a man on the moon. In fact, putting a man on the moon was quite possibly one of their least scientifically valuable achievements. It was more symbolic than anything else.

Also note that NASA's budget has been incredibly small since the missions to the moon. They went from having the entire country's resources at hand to basically operating on a shoestring budget.
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Is there no part of your being that feels the slightest "something" about it?
Not really, no.
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Re: The moon landing

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I really think USPOL should have a conspiracy section. But before I go into the wacko world, is it some sort of collective reasoning that grand conspiracies can not exist; are just out and out impossible like a aquare circle despite suspicious and unanswerable evidence?

Here are some interesting links that propose that the lunar landing on the moon was fake:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

and:

http://batesmotel.8m.com/

Do you remember the James Bond movie "Diamonds Are Forever"? If you have seen this movie you may remember a scene where Mr. Bond, James Bond tries to escape the clutches of evil henceman through a scientific space research facility. He runs into a room that looks like a studio set up to be a lunar landscape with slow motion actors in moon suits and the whole bit. I thought that was sorta funny. Anyway, I'm kinda swayed to believe there is a better than good chance we have been duped. And if it one day, somehow, came out that it was fake, I'm almost positive that I would have one of the best laughs I had in a long time.

Can't leave out partisan hackery:

Bush could learn a lot about public duplicity from that good 'ol administration!
I've heard many arguments for the moon hoax, but this website below seems to nicely put a lot of them to rest. Some of the arguments for the hoax are so easy to see through an explanation is superfluous for anyone with at least a basic grasp on Astronomy (the "no stars are seen during the photos or film" bs.) I will concede that it is actually an interesting "theory," but the arguements really never seemed too strong for my taste.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

Sorry if someone has posted this site already. It also contains links to other helpful sites for people who may be confused about our legit moon landing.

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Re: The moon landing

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is it some sort of collective reasoning that grand conspiracies can not exist; are just out and out impossible like a aquare circle despite suspicious and unanswerable evidence?
I think so, conspiracies depend on people for one thing, and the idea that people can keep a secret has been provened incorrect. Hell, a conspiracy in this modern age would be close to impossible, what the the internet and all. Secondly, conspiracies have to be time tested against new technology or techniques that most likely wont be accounted for. Sure, they're fun, but sometimes their a little silly. Like a while back I saw a National Enquire in which the Titanic was found floating blah blah blah and where it had been (Gee, great way to ruine your rep in the fake news buddy!).
Not that I'm saying that conspiracies don't exist or can't exist, in a totalitarian government they have a great chance of existing, but in a free society not so much (if at all). Mostly, its easier to go to the moon than keep a big ol' secret. Which besides all the "proof" that exist is the reason I believe we went to the moon. For you see, the moon landing is there for everybody to see (Other nations than ours have satellites and China is going to the moon soon. Sure you could say we put that moon rover there and the base of the landers themselves, but why go through the trouble if you can send a man?).
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I refuse to be swayed by logic or reason! Hmmph!
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I refuse to be swayed by logic or reason! Hmmph!
Oh, you'll crack! *smacks his sliderule into his palm, grinning wickedly* Sure, its a bit more boring this way, but I'm sure there is a perk to it somewhere. If not, there's always the window.

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Re: The moon landing

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(BTW, I agree on the conspiracy forum part)
If it ever gets implemented it would be a shame that conformfailure isn't around then. I'd love to see his reaction as his threads get sent over to that section. Priceless.



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Re: The moon landing

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If anyone does prove it didn't happen, I'd be disappointed on one level. On another level, I'd probably be happy because it would likely ignite a new race to the moon.
That's a good point - now I almost want the whole lunar landing to be proven a hoax!
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Re: The moon landing

You'd better get to the Moon before the Chinese communists do.. if you don't, the whole world will fall under the iron fist of Chinese revisionist communism... did ya know they are already testing new nuclear weapons behind the moon? and there is no way to stop (or detect) it.
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