The moon landing - Page 4 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

GravidMind · #46 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

I posted the previous post twice...sooooouhhh yeah

*doing the classic tapdance-soft-shoe-hat-tipping-dance off stage right*

Hank · #47 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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You'd better get to the Moon before the Chinese communists do.. if you don't, the whole world will fall under the iron fist of Chinese revisionist communism... did ya know they are already testing new nuclear weapons behind the moon? and there is no way to stop (or detect) it.

Just be glad it was America who achieved this feat and not China or Russia (who probably would have laid claim to the surface and warned everyone to stay off there land.)

GravidMind · #48 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

ok, maybe I should have posted it twice. What did you mean Hank by "something" stagnated it in the 60's?

Hank · #49 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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So we landed on the moon big deal.

Yea it was. Think of extraterrestrials landing and it will give you a pretty good idea of the scale.

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There are an infinite amount of problems on Earth besides for stupid pet tricks and jerks with infinite power over the populous. All the investments into empty space should be spent in nano technology to research diseases and alternative fuels without a dime of it being thrown away for stupid feats to defy nature and impress the exhibitionist freaks.

It’s who and what we are. We take care of the worlds woes and still have time and resources to pioneer and invent marvels to share with not so inclined nations. Ever see the Energizer Bunny commercials? (You know? Airplanes, nuclear power, light bulbs, radio/television, phonograph/telephone, on and on and on and on…)

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But that's the "American Dream" isn't it, to be dumber than a bag of rocks floating in space with power or pretending to be watching the idiot screen while profiteers in big industries and big government flood world in a chemical health-hazard cesspool of diseases.

Wow! Your like a democrat or something huh?

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Of course everything is graded on a curb in the US so it all looks good then the foreign scientist are paid to do the research and are actually intelligent. The dirt of course gets past to the next generation who has to lie better than the last generation because their parents wouldn't tell them the truth of why everythings so screwed up and why their all too druged up to face reality.

What do you mean? Life is great and then we live forever.
I mean c’mon. Doesn’t this stuff give you a hard on?

Spadplanter · #50 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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I mean c’mon. Doesn’t this stuff give you a hard on?

Hank, some people can only get a hard-on when they are consumed with despair or some other gloom-and-doom scenario. They're the "glass half empty and leaking badly" types. If they ran things, we would still be using quill pens and riding horses.

emptypepsi · #51 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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Ok! This is what I'm talking about. You guy are measuring NASA's success not on the tremendous leaps and discoveries it has found but rather by the small percentage of spectacular explosions.
Gort mentioned that 96% (95.6%) of launches have been successful. I say when dealing with the amount of money, the public exposure, the national pride, the importance of whatever research that was vaporized, and the human life lost, that is too high. WAIT! NASA is an exact science, their business is numbers. 96% probability, 4% guessing ain't NASA and it ain't science-as we'd like to think- but somehow NASA managed to land on the moon; something no other nation has been able to do, rather they have been satisfied to take Americans word that "there's nothing to see here".

It is impossible for our government to lie on such a global scale? All I can say is many Americans think many things are "impossible" but in the next ten years we will not only see how possible many things can be but also how delusional we are as a society.

This "the government would never do this" mentality is unreasonable, you've got to wake up. I mean, whatever new technology we have or have seen, the government has been privy to it for a few years. And the new technology the government has now is the "next level shit" to us and you'd be a fool to think otherwise. Still they have yet to do something, in the space program, as awe inspiring as landing on the moon over thirty years ago!!

GravidMind, I was curious as to whether you looked at the site I posted earlier. Here it is again, http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

It gives arguments to many of the conspiracy theorists claims in regards to the moon landing. It's got links to a few others as well. Was wondering what your opinion was of them.

Hank · #52 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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You ever think of the "not natural progression" of the space program. I mean, we get to the moon! WOW. and then its like "hey! Ever seen reality tv" It almost seems like we're trying to catch up to what we "acheived" in the past. Hell, we're still blowing up on take-offs and re-entries.

~Snip~ We’ve had 3 mishaps in 700 -manned- (revision.) space flights in almost 50 years. You would have to stand on a chair to try and believe these Ward Churchill’s.

Ok! This is what I'm talking about. You guy are measuring NASA's success not on the tremendous leaps and discoveries it has found but rather by the small percentage of spectacular explosions.

It’s not as some have presented to you. We don’t have time to keep track. (We all have jet skis and shit.) It’s just one more thing on the news to get us chanting, “U.S.A- U.S.A.- U.S.A.” when we watch it…

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Gort mentioned that 96% (95.6%) of launches have been successful. I say when dealing with the amount of money, the public exposure, the national pride, the importance of whatever research that was vaporized, and the human life lost, that is too high.

I kinda think your missing the scale here. Man has been around for thousands of years and in my generation alone have placed American flags on the moon, mars and in interplanetary space via Voyager I.

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WAIT! NASA is an exact science, their business is numbers. 96% probability, 4% guessing ain't NASA and it ain't science-as we'd like to think- but somehow NASA managed to land on the moon; something no other nation has been able to do, rather they have been satisfied to take Americans word that "there's nothing to see here".
It is impossible for our government to lie on such a global scale? All I can say is many Americans think many things are "impossible" but in the next ten years we will not only see how possible many things can be but also how delusional we are as a society. This "the government would never do this" mentality is unreasonable, you've got to wake up. I mean, whatever new technology we have or have seen, the government has been privy to it for a few years. And the new technology the government has now is the "next level shit" to us and you'd be a fool to think otherwise. Still they have yet to do something, in the space program, as awe inspiring as landing on the moon over thirty years ago!!

You own a bullhorn don’t you???

GravidMind · #53 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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GravidMind, I was curious as to whether you looked at the site I posted earlier. Here it is again, http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

It gives arguments to many of the conspiracy theorists claims in regards to the moon landing. It's got links to a few others as well. Was wondering what your opinion was of them.

Yes, I did look, and it's not like I'm saying "we did not" land on the moon, rather I'm bringing up the bigger possibility that we may have been duped by the government in believing many things that simply aren't true. What method do we have in validating things told us by our government. Hell, there are still people believing the "Bush: War on Terror" nonsense regardless of the evidence supporting lies, duplicity, and deceit. Bush and the GOBs aren't the brightest, therefore it would stand to reason those more intellegent can see through their lies. But what about those lies conducted by the government that were executed by more thorough, intelligent people. (we do know the government lies) is it obnoxious to assume they always have, not only about the small things but most definitely the big things. Or have we discovered every lie perpetrated by government - that in my opinion would be the obnoxious assumption.

Ductor Remigium · #54 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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Just be glad it was America who achieved this feat and not China or Russia (who probably would have laid claim to the surface and warned everyone to stay off there land.)

I was tryin to give your space program a little cold war style boost it needs.. Ya didn't take me too seriously I hope?

Other matter is what would Russians have done with the Moon they would have claimed? I'd say pretty much nothing other than gotten a nice propaganda boost. Too bad that the explosions of the russian N-1 rockets weren't televised live back in the late 60s.

Speedyer · #55 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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Aww man. You just triggered a repressed memory from my childhood of this nun who used to pick on me…

Hah, I think its better for everyone you don't dive any deeper into that.

Nah, I was more thinking about geeky guys beating the crap out of people, in the interest of science (Okay, watched too much Futurama and Simpsons)! Too bad the Shuttle was delayed by the way, but I'm not surprised. Safety first, whoot.

Hank · #56 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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Yes. America went from the Wright Flyer to nuclear power and the moon in a single generation. It’s almost as though something happened in the 1960s to stagnate society or something…

What are you suggesting or implying?

Well lets review. 1940’s, 50’s and early 60’s. The beginning of the nuclear/space age and racial harmony.

1970’s/80’s. Secretaries suing there bosses for telling them to make coffee, A political party empowered by despair conditions minorities into believing there under attack and only hate will save them. The beginnings of energy stagnations due to us not moving to the next step because of movements, and protests.

90’s and 00’s. Back to fossil fuels, coal and something unknown to America. Conserving instead of getting off there butts and pioneering.

Hank · #57 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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ok, maybe I should have posted it twice. What did you mean Hank by "something" stagnated it in the 60's?

Once will suffice. I was still on page three.

Hank · #58 (**permalink**) 07-01-2006

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Just be glad it was America who achieved this feat and not China or Russia (who probably would have laid claim to the surface and warned everyone to stay off there land.)

I was tryin to give your space program a little cold war style boost it needs.. Ya didn't take me too seriously I hope?

A budget would help also. Luckily were pretty resourceful. The money re-directed by democrats to grant moneys like the $47,000.oo to a moonbat pissing in a dirty mayonnaise jar with a crucifix and P.B.S. to make documentaries on how horrible we are instead of retro rockets on our mars program.
We had to come up with some silly looking cheap bouncing ball trick. Are we slick or what. Liberals just can’t stop us.

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Other matter is what would Russians have done with the Moon they would have claimed? I'd say pretty much nothing other than gotten a nice propaganda boost. Too bad that the explosions of the russian N-1 rockets weren't televised live back in the late 60s.

They even airbrushed the dead astronauts out of pictures. Something public schools began doing in the early 90’s to cigarettes in authors and historians pictures… (Liberals scare me…)

Mathieu · #59 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006

I read the main part of this thread. There is no air on the moon, and then there is no wind ok???

Look at the flag on the picture, how could you explain it??

Tell me if you find the answer

emptypepsi · #60 (**permalink**) 07-03-2006

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I read the main part of this thread. There is no air on the moon, and then there is no wind ok???

Look at the flag on the picture, how could you explain it??

Tell me if you find the answer

"This I find to be one of the more ridiculous observations. It is readily apparent that all the video showing a fluttering flag is one in which an astronaut is grasping the flagpole. He is obviously twisting or jostling the pole, which is making the flag move. In fact, in some video the motion of the flag is unlike anything we would see on Earth. In an atmosphere the motion of the flag would quickly dampen out due to air resistance. In some of the Apollo video we see the twisting motion of the pole resulting in a violent flapping motion in the flag with little dampening effect.

I've heard many hoax advocates claim that some of the Apollo photos show a fluttering flag. (How one can see a flag flutter in a still photograph is a mystery to me!) I can only guess that ripples and wrinkles in the flags are being perceived as wave motion. The flags were attached vertically at the pole and horizontally from a rod across the top. On some flights the astronauts did not fully extend the horizontal rod, so the flags had ripples in them. There is much video footage in which these rippled flags can be seen and, in all cases, they are motionless. "

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

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