Originally Posted by emptypepsi

"This I find to be one of the more ridiculous observations. It is readily apparent that all the video showing a fluttering flag is one in which an astronaut is grasping the flagpole. He is obviously twisting or jostling the pole, which is making the flag move. In fact, in some video the motion of the flag is unlike anything we would see on Earth. In an atmosphere the motion of the flag would quickly dampen out due to air resistance. In some of the Apollo video we see the twisting motion of the pole resulting in a violent flapping motion in the flag with little dampening effect.

I've heard many hoax advocates claim that some of the Apollo photos show a fluttering flag. (How one can see a flag flutter in a still photograph is a mystery to me!) I can only guess that ripples and wrinkles in the flags are being perceived as wave motion. The flags were attached vertically at the pole and horizontally from a rod across the top. On some flights the astronauts did not fully extend the horizontal rod, so the flags had ripples in them. There is much video footage in which these rippled flags can be seen and, in all cases, they are motionless. "

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

Originally Posted by Mathieu

Originally Posted by Gort

You are kidding right? Please tell me you were kidding!

Originally Posted by Mathieu

Since i ve celebrated our victory against Brazil in the world cup all the saturday at night, i m not the same guy because my brain is now a mix between alcohl and need of sleeping ^^^

Interressant thread, i didn't knew that there is suspicious guys about it before.

Originally Posted by Mathieu

Some guys are saying that the holocaust wasn't. Some others are saying that US have never been on the Moon.

I just hope that US have really been on moon, because it's a dream to imagine a guy on it when you see at the moon.

Originally Posted by Gort

What I find amusing is the people that insist the shuttle program has been a failure because of the two accidents. There have been 114 launches of the most sophisticated craft ever built I think and in those 114 launcheds only two accidents. Now that is two to many, but no one ever said life was safe. We are pioneers, perhaps more than any other society on the planet, we go to space because it is there.

The US in its history of space launches has had 1,152 launches with 164 failures, or a 93.6% success rate. The ESA has had 117 launches with 12 failures or a 95.6% rate. The differene is the US was one of two countries that pioneered space launch capability, and most of our failures came in the years 1957 to 1966 when the technology was still being developed. The ESA however didn't have to go through that trial and error process, they could copy either the US or Russian programs and learn from their failures. So given that the fact that the ESA has only got a success rate of 2% better than the US doesn't really say that much does it. Of course the ESA has never killed an astronaut either. Why, becuase they have never tried to launch an astronaut on one of their own vehicles. They prefer to hitch rides with either the US or Russians.

So those of you that are so highly critical of the US program, put up or shut up. ( I mean that with all due respect)

Originally Posted by AdrienXII

Come on, man, nobody compared the ESA to NASA until you did...Also, you might want to check out the ESA budget, if you think NASA is operating on a "shoestring budget", it'll make you laugh, I promise...

Originally Posted by GravidMind

Not to mention one piece of evidence that, unfortunately, I can not share with you.
I'm sorry but I must come to terms with leaving you unaware of the truth, for this I will always be regretful.
Forgive me.

Originally Posted by wphelan

If you would induge me with answers to some questions, that'd be great..


Is it really evidence if you don't share it with anyone? And what's the nature of this secret? Who can you share it with, if not us? Have you ever shared it with anyone? What would happen to you if you did decide to tell us? Is it something you discovered on your own or were you told about it second hand? And just what truth is it we are unaware of? Are you saying this secret of yours is true and it proves the moon landing did not happen? Is that the truth you speak of which we are unaware?

Originally Posted by Gort

No your right I am the one to bring the ESA into it. I just thought if people were going to criticize NASA, which in come cases deserves it, there should be something to compare it to to give those criticisms some value. And guess what. It appears that when compared to a much younger program that has had the benefits of learning from Russia's and AMerica's mistakes as they pioneered space exploration and has never tried to launch a human being into space on their own, an argualbly much more difficult proposition given the extra safety considerations that aren't present when merely launching inantimate objects, NASA doesn't fare so badly.

I don't think I mentioned the budgets of the two, however since you did. I would expect an agency that is not interested in manned flight to need a smaller budget, especially considering you do not need to keep something as complex as the shuttle in operation.

Originally Posted by wphelan

If you would induge me with answers to some questions, that'd be great..


Is it really evidence if you don't share it with anyone? And what's the nature of this secret? Who can you share it with, if not us? Have you ever shared it with anyone? What would happen to you if you did decide to tell us? Is it something you discovered on your own or were you told about it second hand? And just what truth is it we are unaware of? Are you saying this secret of yours is true and it proves the moon landing did not happen? Is that the truth you speak of which we are unaware?

Originally Posted by GravidMind

It may be of some relieve to know that the "secret" that I hold would scarcely alter any of your minds...truth be told I would run the risk of being ridiculed; however, in-spite of this, the "evidence" that was presented me must have been dispenced at the exact time, in the exact way by the exact person to render my constitution helpless to dispute it or the messenger from whence it came, and still affects me the same today, several years later.
But, as a consolation, I shall dispence unto you and all others whose eyes read these words a quote that summarizes my sentiments more clearly and gracefully than I could otherwise communicate...

We associate truth with convenience, with what most closely accords with self-interest and personal well-being or promises best to avoid awkward effort or unwelcome dislocation of life. We also find highly acceptable what contributes most to self-esteem. [Many things] are complex, and to comprehend their character is mentally tiring. Therefore we adhere, as though to a raft, to those ideas which represent our understanding.
-John Kenneth Galbraith

I hope this, as well as all else I've ever contributed in this forum, serves you well through life, and best in your darkest hours.

Originally Posted by AdrienXII

Oh come on, man, just tell me the secret! A PM will do, I won't tell the others, promise.

Originally Posted by Gort

Just make sure you don't tell him where you live. Even then I would be looking for the balck helecopters. If you like old American mivies with Clint Eastwood you might want to look at the ending of 3 Days of the Condor. It could also explain how they would deal with you after he tells you.