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Old 10-18-2006
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you forgot the fact that these Communist states were officially Atheist worshipping states just as the Monarchies of Europe were Catholic so you are still wrong my friend.
I can see that this is going nowhere, thanks for the conversation.
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Old 10-19-2006
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Im glad you took the time to read the definition but you forgot the fact that these Communist states were officially Atheist worshipping states just as the Monarchies of Europe were Catholic so you are still wrong my friend.
You are quite confused. The communist states were, and those that still exist are, "worshipers" of communism as described in the works of Marx and Engels, with their "prophet" Lenin's works as added testament. They reject official religion and do not offer a belief in the supernatural. Therefore, they are atheist -- not believers in any god or gods. No atheist "worships" atheism. That's an oxymoron because atheism is the lack of any worshiping.

And, the monarchies of old Europe were both Catholic as well as Protestant. A notable Protestant king was Gustafus Adolthus of Sweden. There were others. It would appear that your lack of knowledge of history and civics is leading you to these erroneous conclusions. I would suggest a lot of remedial reading.
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Old 10-22-2006
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The only positive thing about Atheism, the most violent destructive religion in the history of the known universe is that they usually just slaughter themselves.
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Old 10-24-2006
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The only positive thing about Atheism, the most violent destructive religion in the history of the known universe is that they usually just slaughter themselves.
Continuing to call atheism a religion simply proves your intectual bankruptcy. Try a dictionary.

No athiest has committed mass slaughter over religion or religious belief or lack thereof. Stalin and Mao caused millions of deaths due to their religious belief in communist dogma. All other mass deaths on this planet were due to belief in the absolute rightness of some stupid religion/superstition over another.
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Old 10-24-2006
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Continuing to call atheism a religion simply proves your intectual bankruptcy. Try a dictionary.

No athiest has committed mass slaughter over religion or religious belief or lack thereof. Stalin and Mao caused millions of deaths due to their religious belief in communist dogma. All other mass deaths on this planet were due to belief in the absolute rightness of some stupid religion/superstition over another.
That's not true either.

Stalin and Mao caused millions of deaths under the same justification that has been used by many - political necessity.

There is blood on the hands of all the world's religions, that much cannot be doubted, but the fact is, most wars and most mass killings have been non-religious affairs.

Political 'necessity' seems to be the overriding most popular cause of killing people.
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Old 10-24-2006
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Continuing to call atheism a religion simply proves your intectual bankruptcy. Try a dictionary.
atheism Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.



Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity



According to two dictionary sources, dictionary.com and webster's dictionary online, Atheism only says it is a disbelief in a god or gods and nothing about its status of being a religion but i already knew that so you are the one who is intellectually bankrupt as well as unable to read a dictionary my friend?
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Old 10-25-2006
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atheism Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.



Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity



According to two dictionary sources, dictionary.com and webster's dictionary online, Atheism only says it is a disbelief in a god or gods and nothing about its status of being a religion but i already knew that so you are the one who is intellectually bankrupt as well as unable to read a dictionary my friend?
This is comedy. Your own drivel suggests atheism is not a religion. And yet, you make the argument is so, and deny it at the same time.
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Old 10-29-2006
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A Liberal told once told me he was a devout Atheist. I guess nothing could convince him there was a God even though he had no proof whatsoever beyond blind faith that there is not one.

I found that telling but luckily the courts in case after case in our history keeps ruling against their utter hypocricy to the benefit of them so they have the freedom to worship their nothing religion. Weird but so is the flip-flopping doublespeek of fundamentalist Atheist worshippers.

Thankfully, America has freedom of religion so i feel pretty confident that Atheism, the most evil and self destructive religion in the history of the world will not be forced upon the masses but i am smart so i will be watchful my friends.
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Old 10-30-2006
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This is comedy. Your own drivel suggests atheism is not a religion. And yet, you make the argument is so, and deny it at the same time.
Only if you assume you need a God or Gods to form a religion. I would assume anyone or group that believes what they can not prove, is basically a religion.
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Mr. Blaine, I can already tell that you are an intelligent man.
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Old 10-30-2006
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Only if you assume you need a God or Gods to form a religion. I would assume anyone or group that believes what they can not prove, is basically a religion.
Ergo, GWBush's administration has a religious crusade going on in Iraq?

They believe they can win, yet they cannot prove it. Ergo, it is a religion according to you Rick Blaine.

Better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

Rick Blaine, I'd recommend not citing any quotations from my posts. I'm trying hard to be polite, but I'm losing patience. If you don't cite my posts, I won't bother you at all.

But if you cite my post, I'll be back at ya.
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Old 10-31-2006
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Only if you assume you need a God or Gods to form a religion. I would assume anyone or group that believes what they can not prove, is basically a religion.
Buddhism has no god. It is still regarded as a religion.

Atheism is certainly a religious belief, in that you cannot prove your belief that there is no god. I would not call it a religion, though, because there are so many different people who are atheists and there are no important atheist religious organisations in the world.
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Communism is not equal to atheism, even though the communistic ideology involves atheistic teachings. You can also be a conservative, liberal or anything else in political terms and being an atheist.

Communists don't wage wars or commit genocide to further the cause of atheism. They do it to further the cause of communism. Communism involves atheism, but it is not enough to be an atheist to be spared by the communistic murderers. I would say that in a communistic country, it is safer to adhere to everything communistic except atheism and be a believer in the traditional religion of the land, than to be an atheist but believe in other political ideas than the ruling communists.
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Like all those who ignorantly oppose atheists, yon protagonist seems not to understand that those who claim their religion is real and the correct one are the ones who are required to offer proof or its existence. After all, they are stating something is real. If they propose that some god or other exists, then offer proof.

Atheism is simply the response of someone who says "I don't see any logic or proof in your argument." Atheists have nothing to prove. They are only stating that the theists have not presented any proof of their wild claims and assertions of supernatural powers or events.

If you claim there is a god or gods, prove that claim. That is the essence of atheism; a belief in the abject lack of such proof.
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Communism is not equal to atheism, even though the communistic ideology involves atheistic teachings. You can also be a conservative, liberal or anything else in political terms and being an atheist.

Communists don't wage wars or commit genocide to further the cause of atheism. They do it to further the cause of communism. Communism involves atheism, but it is not enough to be an atheist to be spared by the communistic murderers. I would say that in a communistic country, it is safer to adhere to everything communistic except atheism and be a believer in the traditional religion of the land, than to be an atheist but believe in other political ideas than the ruling communists.

I have already explained that to him, he refuses to listen.
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