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Dormouse · #61 (**permalink**) 10-03-2006

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Originally Posted by Jessie

It would confirm that Jews are true liars. It would also give the historians motivation to review their history books on other matters reguarding Jews and Jewish history. e.g the Bible.

Well, then that explains your motivation here. You have an agenda.

It is not like you are dispassionately concerned for abstract truth.

No surprise really.

Thanks for the honest answer. I appreciate it.

jpsartre12 · #62 (**permalink**) 10-03-2006

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Originally Posted by Mad_Michael

Well, then that explains your motivation here. You have an agenda.

It is not like you are dispassionately concerned for abstract truth.

No surprise really.

Thanks for the honest answer. I appreciate it.

It appears that we have arrived at the same conclusion. I hope he doesn't get his SS uniform soiled any further. I'd hate for him to not look his best at the next rally.

DGG · #63 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006

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Originally Posted by jpsartre12

It appears that we have arrived at the same conclusion. I hope he doesn't get his SS uniform soiled any further. I'd hate for him to not look his best at the next rally.

I guess you are talking about Jessie. Jessie doesn't only have a female name, it says in her profile she is female.

tamperpr00f · #64 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006

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Originally Posted by MareTranquility

You make excellent points, Tim, but will we learn from these terrible examples? It doesn't seem like it, the House and Senate just made it legal for George Bush to have people tortured, set up secret prisons, and suspend the right of habeus corpus. The only two things disallowed were mutilation and rape. How are we different now than the people we have been discussing? Maybe our crimes have not risen to the level of theirs yet, but 14,000 people have already been "disappeared" into George's secret prisons. How many more will be required? I am ashamed that America has sunk to the level of making torture and secret prisons legal.

I don't know that your number are correct. But I wholeheartedly agree that our rights are being attacked by our leaders on a grand scale.

Jihad4Beer · #65 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006

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Originally Posted by camille z

More than 6 million Russians were killed by Hitler yet you never see movies about this, you don't read about it too much. Why?

I recall seeing a big Hollywood Movie set in the battle of Stalingrad. It was called "Enemy at the Gates" and starred Jude Law and Ed Harris.

As for all the holocaust movies, there are a LOT more Jews in Hollywood than Russians. And they like to make Holocaust movies and award them Oscars.

Despite the lack of cinematic exploitation, most of us are aware of Stalin's purges, siberian prison camps, gulags etc.

Voland · #66 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006

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Originally Posted by Tim

Then you and Voland can agree that the Bush administration is equal to the Nazis. I will not participate in this bizarre discussion. No doubt you will find others who want to ransack history to make your political point.

As to your numeroues references to my "sarcasm" - you misunderstood my statements. All of them were meant literally. This topic is far too serious to allow your analogies to pass unchallenged.

In my post I denied exactly the comparison of Bush and Hitler , Tim. Please read again before you put words in my mouth which amount to statements i never made.

Voland · #67 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006

The discussion about victim numbers is completely ridiculous if you look at stories like this : A nazi era mass grave containing the corpses of children has been uncovered in western Germany. Authorities are still checking the site but it seems they were killed during the Nazi Euthanasia Program.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...440544,00.html

jpsartre12 · #68 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006

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Originally Posted by DGG

I guess you are talking about Jessie. Jessie doesn't only have a female name, it says in her profile she is female.

My apologies. You don't hear about too many skinhead women.

jpsartre12 · #69 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006

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Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

I recall seeing a big Hollywood Movie set in the battle of Stalingrad. It was called "Enemy at the Gates" and starred Jude Law and Ed Harris.

Ah yes, the story of Vasilley Alexiev(sp?), Russian's most famous WWII sniper. Great movie and it does show the brutal fact that men were snatched from their villages, put on a train, handed a gun and sent to the Front. Even the presence of Russian machine gunners at the back of the lines to mow down deserters was authentic. The Russians sent men by the thousands into Nazi meatgrinders without a battle plan.

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As for all the holocaust movies, there are a LOT more Jews in Hollywood than Russians. And they like to make Holocaust movies and award them Oscars.

Despite the lack of cinematic exploitation, most of us are aware of Stalin's purges, siberian prison camps, gulags etc.

Anyone who's ever read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago" or "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denosovich" is well aware of Russia's Siberian gulags.

And at least one song has been written about Solzhenitsyn's plight in Russia, "Mother Russia" by Rennaisance. Excellent song, BTW.

Ianmac37 · #70 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006

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Originally Posted by conformfailure

Okay so lots of people have opinions. Not a big deal. For some reason to dispute this fact is considered Western sin that gets you a free trip to seven degrees of hell ... or however that mumbo jumbo works.

Anyways, I don't understand why people react with anger when people ask for an investigation.

I don't know what to say, if I were a Jewish leader or something like that, I would have already said "Fine! Have your damn investigation! Investigate it thoroughly! When all is said and done - please shut up about it so we can move on!

But for some reason, they continue to allow this disputed event in history to be challenged by many people.

Open the book to the Holocaust and any other details so people will shut up about it. I don't understand why this is frowned upon either. Discovery and education can only help people understand the Holocaust and a perfect opporitunity for people to understand the harmful effects of such evil deeds. It's a way for the next generations to get closer to these important things by allowing them to investigate and discovery the Holocaust on their own. It's important that this event doesn't remain a page in a school textbook but make it more relevant by allowing others to explore and understand this horrible event.

Once there's an open door policy on the Holocaust, mankind can only learn and grow from such failures and it douses the flames of doubt...

... or we continue to say "Shut up! It happened because we say so! If you doubt us we don't care!" ... I can already smell the harmony when this attitude is used.. don't you?

We are not saying "shut up." We are stating the facts that are already known about the Holocaust and directing you to where the evidence can be found. The records are still there in both the Gereman archives, now open to scholars, and in the US archives, which are always open to citizens.

The Holocaust is the most thoroughly documented horror in history. One can find copies of moving picture evidence in all major news service archives and there are hundreds of first hand accounts in print or in libraries. One can even still interview eye-witnesses, either those who were fortunate enough to survive in the concentration camps until the war was over or those armed service members who liberated some of those camps.

My father-in-law, still living, was one of those soldiers and he has related to me first-hand witness reports of what horrors his unit found. That matches the pictures I see on the History channel of cordwood stacks of emaciated bodies mixed between the dead and the dying.

Anyone who claims that the Holocaust never occured is either a fool, lying, or simply does not know how to look things up. You are being attacked for ignorance or malicious lies, not for opening up a closed subject. Look it up before you claim the moon is made of green cheese.

jpsartre12 · #71 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006

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Originally Posted by Ianmac37

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My father-in-law, still living, was one of those soldiers and he has related to me first-hand witness reports of what horrors his unit found. That matches the pictures I see on the History channel of cordwood stacks of emaciated bodies mixed between the dead and the dying.

The SS even studied the best means of stacking bodies to get the most efficient burn.

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