Visit the U.S. Politics Online Discussion Forum Archives!

Sponsored by:

U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum  

Bookmark Us! E-Mail DONATE NOW! Photo Gallery Document Archives Quiz! Register to Vote!!!
Go Back   U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum > Information and Research > Historical Discourse

Historical Discourse A discussion forum dedicated to history.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
Jessie's Avatar
Jessie Jessie is offline
County Executive

 
Member Since: Sep 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 333

New_York     United_States

Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Quote:
The Voice of the White House for September 29th 2006

Washington, D.C., September 29th 2006: “Some very unhappy people here but not about the mid term elections. It seems that after the Second World War, the Soviets captures all of the records of the Nazi concentration camps…from 1935 to 1945….and put them in their archives in Moscow. Because they pretty much knock a hole in the legend of six millions gassed, Jewish groups pressured Russia not to ever allow any researcher to see or copy any of these and for certain, never to release the contents of these files to anyone, ever. Russians are easy to bribe and apparently someone in the States got the whole file (on microfilm) and there is fury and panic over this. Jewish groups have asked the DoJ to declare these “improperly released” classified documents and grab them. Unfortunately, there is no legal basis for doing this. The original documents were German and the microfilms are Russian, not American. Some of these groups have built up a thriving business on the subject and anything concrete that could sink their boat is something not to put up with. This is a subject that most people don’t care about but to those who do, it is a real bell-ringer. All of this hinges on whether or not the present owner got these legally. If our people can’t prove he didn’t, it looks like fun and games in the History department!”

Then there are the records of the Red Cross which (unlike the US prison camps) were given full access to the German camps, even to the point of having observers permanently stationed at some of the camps, and while their records showed large numbers of deaths from typhoid towards the end of the war, plus executions for criminal actions, the records fail to show any indications of a large-scale organized genocide in the camps.

Note: I 've put a question mark on the thread title.

How much credence do you give to this story ?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
ViolaLee ViolaLee is offline
County Executive
We are the ones we've been waiting for.

 
Member Since: Feb 2005
Location: California
Posts: 382

United_States     California

Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Turns out to be true? Dude there are people who are still alive who survived the Nazi concentration camps, people who have lost their whole family to Nazi concentration camps. Maybe in another 20 years when every first hand witness is finally gone your ugly lies will work better. But then again there is all that film footage and documented accounts you will have to fight against to prove this disgusting lie. And you will have to wait until people like me are dead and gone too, for I have met a woman who was in a Nazi concentration camp, a friend of my mother's, who escaped by climbing over the fences with her husband and a friend. She had the tattoo. She was Jewish. Go rent some documentaries Jessie. Stop believing this bullshit.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
Luap's Avatar
Luap Luap is offline
Secretary of Defense
NBA Champs 2008

 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: The world
Posts: 2,297

Earth    
Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Yeah, you aren't being very fair, Samantha. I don't see anywhere in this thread that Jessie claims to believe the article.

I don't give much credibility to the story here; the source here is very vague and does not provide a credible source of its own. Holocaust denial or revisionism is difficult to believe given its origins and given the huge amount of evidence contradicting it.
__________________
No man is an island...
Each man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in Mankind.
And therefore, never send to know
For whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

—John Donne
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
ViolaLee ViolaLee is offline
County Executive
We are the ones we've been waiting for.

 
Member Since: Feb 2005
Location: California
Posts: 382

United_States     California

Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

This isn't the first time Jessie has posted holocaust denial crap. She has claimed to believe it in other threads. .
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
partofme's Avatar
partofme partofme is offline
Moderator

 
Member Since: Apr 2004
Location: Murray Kentucky
Posts: 15,037

Earth     United_States

Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Hey, maybe WWII didn't really happen either.
__________________
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
goober's Avatar
goober goober is offline
President

 
Member Since: Apr 2005
Location: massachusetts
Posts: 10,329

   
Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
Then there are the records of the Red Cross which (unlike the US prison camps) were given full access to the German camps, even to the point of having observers permanently stationed at some of the camps, and while their records showed large numbers of deaths from typhoid towards the end of the war, plus executions for criminal actions, the records fail to show any indications of a large-scale organized genocide in the camps.

Note: I 've put a question mark on the thread title.

How much credence do you give to this story ?
I didn't see much of a story, just a blog entry that said the Russians have some documents that will disprove the Holocaust.
I'd have to see more than a blog entry to give any credence to a story that contradicts the version of history that so many other sources seem to agree on.
It would take a fantastic conspiracy to promulgate a false story of the concentration camps and have it accepted by virtually every historian in the world.
So to answer you question, I can't give it any credibility.
__________________
“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
Jessie's Avatar
Jessie Jessie is offline
County Executive

 
Member Since: Sep 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 333

New_York     United_States

Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by goober View Post
I didn't see much of a story, just a blog entry that said the Russians have some documents that will disprove the Holocaust.
I'd have to see more than a blog entry to give any credence to a story that contradicts the version of history that so many other sources seem to agree on.
It would take a fantastic conspiracy to promulgate a false story of the concentration camps and have it accepted by virtually every historian in the world.
So to answer you question, I can't give it any credibility.
There you go, it wasn't that difficult Samantha. I could always rely on goober, he's probably the most fair and balanced member here along with the aussi girl -- i forget her name.

Thanks goober -- this story is Bushit until further credible reports states otherwise.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
camille z's Avatar
camille z camille z is offline
City Mayor

 
Member Since: Jul 2006
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 218

West_Virginia    
Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

More than 6 million Russians were killed by Hitler yet you never see movies about this, you don't read about it too much. Why?
__________________
happy days are here again!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
Jessie's Avatar
Jessie Jessie is offline
County Executive

 
Member Since: Sep 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 333

New_York     United_States

Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by camille z View Post
More than 6 million Russians were killed by Hitler yet you never see movies about this, you don't read about it too much. Why?
Their NOT 'god's chosen' ok -- don't wana hear anymore nonsense from you again? you darn filthy anti-semite...

Just kidding <wink> ....I really don't know the answer to that.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
Mrs. M's Avatar
Mrs. M Mrs. M is offline
Parrothead
What if the hokey-pokey is all it really is about?

 
Member Since: Aug 2004
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 20,991

United_States     Louisiana

Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samantha View Post
This isn't the first time Jessie has posted holocaust denial crap. She has claimed to believe it in other threads. .
Exactly, which is why this thread is just more of her trolling BS, therefore not worthy of discussion.
__________________


"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
Ductor Remigium's Avatar
Ductor Remigium Ductor Remigium is offline
U.S. Senator
You Shouldn't Call The Doctor (If You Can't Afford The Bills)

 
Member Since: Sep 2004
Location: Periphery of EU
Posts: 717

Finland     European_Union

Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by camille z View Post
More than 6 million Russians were killed by Hitler yet you never see movies about this, you don't read about it too much. Why?
More than 20 million russians were killed by Stalin and around 60 million chinese were killed by Mao. No made for tv movies yet. But really does it matter how many people were killed when talking about millions of people, or hundreds of thousands.. its all crimes against humanity.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
Hellfigger's Avatar
Hellfigger Hellfigger is offline
City Council Member

 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: Flanders / Europe
Posts: 175

   
Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Don't forget the Armenian genocide
__________________
Hier ons bloed. Wanneer ons recht
Here our blood. When our right
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
AdrienXII AdrienXII is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Dec 2004
Location: france
Posts: 5,158

   
Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
Their NOT 'god's chosen' ok -- don't wana hear anymore nonsense from you again? you darn filthy anti-semite...

Just kidding <wink> ....I really don't know the answer to that.
Well, there's still a whole bunch of Russians left. Not that many european jews.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
Jessie's Avatar
Jessie Jessie is offline
County Executive

 
Member Since: Sep 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 333

New_York     United_States

Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrienXII View Post
Well, there's still a whole bunch of Russians left. Not that many european jews.
And what proof do you have to show that Russians and Jews multiply at the exact same rate ?
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006
AdrienXII AdrienXII is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Dec 2004
Location: france
Posts: 5,158

   
Re: Legend of six millions jews gassed ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
And what proof do you have to show that Russians and Jews multiply at the exact same rate ?
Bah...Let me reformulate. Hitler almost managed to kill all european jews, not so with Russians. I'm not saying he wouldn't have if he had had the possibility.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6
Copyright © 2000 - 2008 U.S. Politics Online