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Re: Pearl Harbor - 911 analogy?

Some other political analysts have also compared P Harbor and 911 and identified analogies:

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The story of Pearl Harbor is no longer conspiracy theories and lunatics writing letters from their basements. The story of Pearl Harbor has been sullied by the actions of our corrupt government looking for a reason to start the war. There is now hard evidence of what really did happen in the moments leading up to Pearl Harbor. Military documents, memos, intercepted transmissions, and much more that has been declassified and examined by experts. There is no questioning these facts anymore; to do so is simply a practice in ignorance.
I am attacking the deceit that our own Government played on its own people.
The same kinds of questions have been brought up regarding 9/11. Were terrorist attacks allowed to happen in order to give America reason to start a war against “terrorism?” It sure is something to think about.

9/11 and Pearl Harbor: Do we even care anymore? - Warpspire

Roosevelt made every effort to rig the investigation so it would serve his interests. First, his executive order of December 18, 1941, creating the commission specifically restricted it to investigating errors and derelictions of duty on the part of U.S. Army and Navy personnel. In short, the commission could not explore the responsibilities of civilian authorities and how well they had been discharged. Thus, unbeknownst to the unwary American public then — and, apparently, to many today who see the commission as an investigatory model — the crucial issue, namely whether President Roosevelt and his Cabinet ministers had any role in the Pearl Harbor disaster, was completely outside the scope of the investigation!
More significant, however, is the consideration that far more anomalies emerged immediately after the September 11 attacks than emerged immediately after the attack of December 7, 1941. That factor would make a public whitewash more difficult. A closed congressional inquiry is less risky for the administration because the public is not told what material Congress is dealing with. If a few leaks can distress the Bush regime, the public airing of a mass of sensitive material would surely render it utterly distraught.

Again, that is not to say that an independent commission would discover any real truths; the real danger would be that Zionists and Democrats might manipulate it to embarrass the Bush White House. A new Roberts Commission would not impede the "war on terrorism," but it might place its direction in the eager hands of others — such as Joseph Lieberman, Madeleine Albright, and Albert Gore.

Stephen J. Sniegoski on the anomalies of September 11 -- sixth update

This is an interesting analysis on 911 implementation. However, I don't believe in "Let it happen" theory - only CIA was capable for carrying out the manouver. The arabs were employed by the CIA and they were used as cover-up persons.
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A hybrid scenario that fits the known evidence is "hijacking the hijackers." In this view, the hijackers were allowed to finish their preparations, board the planes, hijack the controls but then remote control technology was used to ensure that the planes not only completed their missions but also did not strike targets that would have caused even more damage.

Understanding 9/11: Incompetence, Blowback, Perle Harbor or Reichstag Fire?

This is a good article on the fake materials published soon after 911:

Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG)

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Re: Pearl Harbor - 911 analogy?

Here is some additional information on both events.

Scientific video by BBC + text (not so new) Quote:

For nearly 50 years, the world has believed President Franklin D. Roosevelt's declaration that the Pearl Harbor attack was a completely unexpected assault on a neutral nation. Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor tells another, hidden story - using actual recording of intercepted diplomatic communications, declassified government documents, archival footage and interviews with diplomats and spies from around the world. We now know that intelligence operatives from the US and three Allied nations monitored the Japanese fleet's progress on its deadly mission to Oahu in late 1941. Yet neither Admiral Kimmell nor General Short received a word of warning that might have allowed them to avert the sacrifice of 4,000 American casualties in less than 90 minutes.

Conspiracy Video: Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor

An interesting video interview of Webster Tarpley as well.

FDR and Pearl Harbor Conspiracy - What's FDR and Pearl Harbor Conspiracy Truth?

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The USA and the rest of the world is fucked if these neo-con NAZIs get their way! The world is turning into my worst nightmare right before my eyes and people are so fucking stupid they can't see the doom that awaits them!

YouTube - 9/11 Coincidences (Part Five)

There are also interesting new ideas that actually the president Bush has been "hijacked" and the 911 conspiracy - like also P Harbor - was against the president organized by certain loyal groups ... Anglofils for P Harbor and maybe Israelis for 911.
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Re: Pearl Harbor - 911 analogy?

the whole pearl harbour conspiracy while i can see the attraction just doesnt hold up.

While they well may have been a coverup, thats just typical government to any diasater.

true fdr wanted war and was engaged in some conspiracy to drag the us into war. But the place to look is that atlantic not the pacfic, where the US was being pushed into the battle of the atlantic.

the surprise attack on pearl harbour by carriers, wasnt predictable, air craft carriers hadnt arrived to that moment, given the choice between carriers and battaleships the political leadership and naval leadership wuld have choose battaleships every time. The very exsistance of large carriers was a bizzare side effect of the washington naval treaty of 1922.

The German declartion of war on the US is just bizzare, there was no way for anyone to predict that.
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Pugsville - sorry, you miss very respected and officially expressed facts in your post. E.g. the back-door theory has been well documented - so is the promises to Churchill - and all the technical facts. The US Court documents were released to public by mistake when the library was changed and some US universities copied the top-secret documents showing clearly that FDR and about 30 his colleagues were seen guilty ... ironically, olny the innocent P Harbor commanders were punished.

I have mentioned earlier the official documents, but nobody wants to read them - therefore I put easier links as came in my search here:

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Beyond a doubt Pearl Harbor was President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s back door into the European War. Roosevelt’s decisions and actions were very much so, deliberate and calculated, in order to lead a victorious Allied Powers in World War II. By provoking the Japanese and the foreknowledge of an attack on Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt along with his top advisors and the Federal Government are truly to blame for the lost of American life’s and American property. 7 December 1941 shall be a day in American history, which will be remembered as “a day of deceit.”

THE PEARL HARBOR DECEPTION

President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war. FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by --

Pearl Harbor - Mother of All Conspiracies
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Re: Pearl Harbor - 911 analogy?

Analyst is still spewing this nonsense, even after being shown that a source he selected clearly states that there was no conspiracy.

Amazing. Pathetic, but amazing.

A "scientist" that doesn't read his own sources.

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Re: Pearl Harbor - 911 analogy?

There is a new thread about this topic. It is the most completely shown fact that Pearl Harbour - like 911 - was the false flag operation. Rosevelt had promised to Churchill that USA will join the European war and he also promised to change the opinions of the Americans pro-war as 80 % of them opposed any war. Please, read the documents earlier linked in this thread.
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Your own sources completely debunk your absurd, ill-considered claims.

Read the conclusions section of the report you've cited over and over again.
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Re: Pearl Harbor - 911 analogy?

As there is a new thread about Roosevelt, many people would find this discussion about the Pearl Harbor false flag operation interesting.

So also Roosevelt was able to use same tricks as most of the US presidents before and afterward. You can always ask is it allowed for a president to betray his own people ... and can a "beneficial" war be a good reason for such tricks of changing the minds of people. Without Pearl Harbor USA would never had got a change to participate to the European war - and everybody knows that USA got a very tight grip to many European countries thanks to that and earned billions - still today USA is occupying most EU countries and controlling them certainly getting huge economic benefit.
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As there is a new thread about Roosevelt, many people would find this discussion about the Pearl Harbor false flag operation interesting.
Probably not - the thread is pure garbage, with silly claims "supported" by source material that actually refutes the claims.

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Matt - typically for you, you express your opinions strongly but you never have had any supporting evidence, links or not even a civilized guess arguments in your posts. This is a shame ... why you don't just run your own threads.

So - everybody, check the scientific and official papers in my links and think how wars have been initiated in the US political history ... always own people should have been killed in order to change the attitude of people pro-war.
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My supporting evidence was your own source, Analyst. I see you still haven't read it.

Thanks for the advice about where I should post, but I think I'll just keep discrediting your idiotic bullshit when you surface.
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The European people have always understood that the US presidents are liars and betray their own people by organizing false flag operations. We know it well as all this happened here 70 yrs ago.

This is a "must see" German documentary ... the Germans know exactly how the president can manipulate his people - Hitler and his team were experts of that and everything USA is doing today is to copy from him.

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Oh Jesus, people like you are the reason for being prejudiced against Germans.

Tell me, how can the "Germans" tell us how Hitler influenced them???

Since Hitler, nearly 70 years have passed. Most of todays "Germans" have been born after 1945, representing the majority of todays German populace.
I am German but I cannot tell you how this man (who was not German!) once influenced the people.
So do not over-simplyfy "the Germans" the way you did. It is much more complicated than you can imagine out of your "Ivory-Tower".

I am looking forward to my next visit in the US, being asked "do you still know Hitler" by any ignorant people, who do not know that there is no equation between todays Germans and the populace of the 3rd Reich.
Only as a little example: "Contract of Versailles", study what it is and you will understand the situation by 1933. Hope you also see that today Hitler would have much less audiences due to other circumstances in Germany today!
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Polyhistor - we are discussing about political PROCESSES - not any special nation as it is now. What happened in Germany 70 yrs ago, have happened many times before and after in many other countries. Romans used same strategies ... and my point was that Bush Hawks have copied the same old tricks - that is another "analogy" worth of its own thread. Hitler developed the ruling strategy to its top level and did not hide anything - since that the same methods have been used more secretly. As Roosevelt said "if something happens - be sure that it was made to happen".

I am sure that there are nobody today which could connect present day Germans to those times. Of course we Europeans are waiting for times when there are no foreign troops in our "independent EU".
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I am sure that there are nobody today which could connect present day Germans to those times. Of course we Europeans are waiting for times when there are no foreign troops in our "independent EU".
LOL

Can you name some period of history where some nation of Europe wasn't either occupied by a foreign army or at war?

The Americans are only the most recent occupier (if you insist on calling it that). And at least we were invited.

Also, funny that a European would look down his nose on "occupation" considering all of the wonderful gifts that European empiricisim brought to the world.

Oh well. Guess we've all got to have our double standards.
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