I‘m certain they would have done the same thing if these were lesbians our blacks..





Hey. And if there was a Mexican here illegally…

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Only a liberal would know how hard it is to get a nicotine patch to stick to a monkey.

Waco was just a screwup, that happens all the time, in this case there was a film crew, big flames and a little more loss of life than usual, that's the difference.

Do you really think that Clinton was micro-managing the whole thing, telling the FBI to wait until Koresh returned to the compound, "That way we can get the kids too".

Koresh and his followers took a chance, and lost.

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Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

It was the difference.
The constitution allows everything that occurred involving defense against the armed government coming in and attacking constitution guaranties.
I watched it live. I saw them shoot an unarmed women running out of the building and I saw flames shooting out of the barrels on the tanks.

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Only a liberal would know how hard it is to get a nicotine patch to stick to a monkey.

Because he doesn't know for sure. Isn't that obvious?
You seem to be ready to do just about anything to engage conversation with him. Isn't that generally called "trolling"?

At least, you can't be anyworse than Ironman...

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Tailor: But my dear Sir, my dear Sir, look at the world, and look at my trousers.
(Beckett)

Now that we are on this issue what about Randy Weaver?

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You seem to know nothing what-so-ever about the Waco situation. I followed it very closely, and even wrote to Clinton about it.

Um how would Waco be more of a path down stalinism than the domestic "anti terror" policies of this current Administration.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

That was another case of the continuing OVER-KILL by our Totalitarian (and un-restrained)Law Enforcement

He engaged in the thread. He initiated it. He chose to participate.

Generally speaking, if I don't have good information on a specific topic - I avoid the thread altogether. No need for me to inject "Well, I don't know exactly what happened there, but anywho... I think you're wacko."

If he didn't bother to educate himself on the topic, then there was no need for him to participate.

See, here's his style in a nutshell - "I know enough to say that I think you're a wacko kinda guy, but I don't know enough to offer my own opinion. I'll just dance around plausibilities as I attack those that offer more concrete opinions."

In a nutshell.

You're oversimplifying it to suit your tastes.

Koresh was not doing anything illegal. the ATF had military support and that is ILLEGAL.

Whether or not you like the man, or you think he was some cultist wacko, the bottomline is that the GOVERNMENT ACTIVITY with military support against citizens was ILLEGAL. Koresh's sanity status does notover ride law.

There's much more to this if you'd like some facts that will help you understand what I mean.

But in response to your opinion, I know it is completely wrong.

What about Cheryl Lynn Noel?

Actually, rather than wasting minds on useless conspiracies like the Bilderbergers, Illuminati or whatever trying to insititute some sort of "1984" state in this nation our efforts are better used at looking at the gradual increase to such a state based on the ignorance, fear and abuse of power that is already in place.

The recent Hudson decision by the Supreme Court comes to mind. As well as Raich. Two decisions that basically state the federal government has the authority to regulate all commerce and can disregard any concept of expectation of privacy in the home. The use of SWAT teams in this country has increased tremendously. They are no longer used just for hostage situations or barricaded felons but for acting on all manner of drug, porn and gambling warrants. Even Shaq, a professional basketball player, is allowed to participate in a raid on a wrong address.

And once again I state that the federal governments efforts to control and enforce ridiculous laws on the manufacture, distribution and use of drugs is the most important issue in this country. It is tied to corruption at all governmental levels, directly effects every notion of liberty in this country, directly effects our foreign relations, world terrorism and is perhaps the least understood aspect of our nation among the citizenry.

Only the current war in Iraq is a more pressing issue.

And yes, WACO was about what...the possibility of failing to pay taxes on certain legally owned firearms. Ruby Ridge was over illegaly sawing a shotgun barrel off by millimeters. The disturbing fact that the American populace essentially rolled over without a sound at the overkill used by the federal government is astounding. The scariest thing that can happen in a constitutional republic founded on the notion of natural rights and that government is accountable to the people is for that government to kill its own people without consequence. That is what we have. The Supreme Court has recently granted more power to do so in Hudson.

But patriots mark it all off as collateral damage.

Be careful Conform, as we have Liberal Stalinist experts on here that pick out TROLLS in a heartbeat!

TROLL=Anyone disagreeing with Liberal Wussies or their Stalinist Leaders in DC!

Clinton KNEW what was going down, as Reno was coordinating it and American Troops were even used
!! The Liberals do not wish to acknowledge the fact that Billy was Elected with the help of Communist Funds, that Billy was probably responsible for at least 18 Murders of ASSOCIATES, including Ron Brown and Vince Foster!

People who SHUT-UP about Bonnie & Clyde, were granted Pardons, even murdering Drug dealers and Brother Roger!!

Weavers death was a message to White Supremacists, Waco was a message to Religious Cults, and OK City was a message to Clinton!!

How we allowed Billy the Treasoner to go on and allow 9/11, to build up the N.Koreans with NUKES, and allow China to possess sophisticated Missile Guidance Systems is beyond me!

Now if yo Libs need a Day off to cry about my message, regarding YOUR Hero, the Sex Criminal from AR, take your time! Hey, I think I Trolled? Panel? Final Vote, did I troll??

No, you just posted a lot of unfounded Garbage. The only thing you said right was that Clinton could have stopped The Waco assault, and didn't

Now you've got Bonnie and Clyde involved???? RUBBISH!!!

Because I was 13 years old when it happened. My perceptions on the matter at the time were those of a child, and so I'm using the word "seemed" because that is how it "seemed" to me as I got older and thought back on it.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Opinions are cheap and everyone's got one. They usually aren't worth the hot air that is used to spit them out.

Now a good critique - that is special. Takes judgement, education, taste, intellegence and style to critique the idiotic "opinions" of the great unwashed.

Btw, do you have an opinion on the colour purple?