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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

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And of course You are so Wordly, as Olberman and Franken fill you in Daily on what to say, and like a sock-puppet you follow along verbatim!


Sure, buddy. Are you psychic, or is it simply that you're so dogmatic that you assume anyone who disagrees with you in any way must fit into a certain specific mold?

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I have seen changes over the years, but none like the Liberal-Stalinist onslaught against the Family and Church, cumulating with OVER-KILL in Waco! I'm not a fan of Cults either, BUT this could have been handled far better, and Clinton proved Murder should never stand in the way of Gain!
I agree with the bolded, and think that the rest is gibberish.

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A few years ago the ACLU Supreme Ct Judge Ginsberg stood by and Voted to allow Eminent Domain, which I am sure one so Worldly as You will understand completely??
More gibberish, but I am curious to know why you capitalize "Worldly".

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Oh Wait!! We have had Eminent Domain for Years right? Well guess what its PRIVATE now! If IBM or some large Corp. decided they like your Property, but you wish to not sell, tehn it becomes OR ELSE! PRIVATE RIGHTS being stripped away by the LEFT, using the Courts, Clinton wanted to send a message to any Church base opposing him or his Commie friends!
Are you referring to a SCOTUS decision that took place recently and blaming it on Clinton and communism? It does seem that you've amassed at least a minimal knowledge of current events, but you've surrounded it with yet more dogmatic gibberish.

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Counter this with your arguments, or are you just another naive punk Liberal sheep who speaks on command??
This is the certainly the most coherent thing you've said and it speaks loudly and clearly about your inability to conduct debate. Insults and namecalling are the tools of someone who cannot construct logical arguments. If your positions were strong and your ideas with merit, you wouldn't have to call people "punks" to make yourself clear. But don't stop on my account - I find it amusing in a pitiable way.

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Get tough America... watch your backs, especially dealing with the Ultra Lib-Stalinists!!
Do you know who Stalin was, out of curiosity?
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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

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Opinions are cheap and everyone's got one. They usually aren't worth the hot air that is used to spit them out.

Now a good critique - that is special. Takes judgement, education, taste, intellegence and style to critique the idiotic "opinions" of the great unwashed.

Btw, do you have an opinion on the colour purple?
I have an opinion and a view based on facts. You have a problem with that?

What of those that judge other people's opinions? Is there any Mad Michael-ism you'd like to share about that?
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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

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He engaged in the thread. He initiated it. He chose to participate.

Generally speaking, if I don't have good information on a specific topic - I avoid the thread altogether. No need for me to inject "Well, I don't know exactly what happened there, but anywho... I think you're wacko."

If he didn't bother to educate himself on the topic, then there was no need for him to participate.

See, here's his style in a nutshell - "I know enough to say that I think you're a wacko kinda guy, but I don't know enough to offer my own opinion. I'll just dance around plausibilities as I attack those that offer more concrete opinions."

In a nutshell.
My "style" is to engage in conversations that I find interesting and to amuse myself at large with the board. You generally don't get much in the way of serious conversations from me because, to be blunt, I don't really take you seriously. The OP in this thread falls into the same vein.

If, however, I think interesting points are being made or an interesting topic discussed, I'm happy to offer perspectives. So, if you find my reluctance to take you seriously disturbing, perhaps you should tone down the generally hysterical, "The-sky-is-falling" tone of your posts. Of course, I doubt you would be inclined to do this on my account, and I don't really expect you to. But that doesn't alter the fact that I will continue to feel free to critique any and all posts as I please.
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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

By the way, does anyone else think it's going to be funny when conform and ironman figure out that they are utter and complete political opposites? There seems to be a strong alliance forged out of a complete misunderstanding here...
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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

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Because I was 13 years old when it happened. My perceptions on the matter at the time were those of a child, and so I'm using the word "seemed" because that is how it "seemed" to me as I got older and thought back on it.
Ya i figured as much. You didn't want to understand him better, you just wanted to stomp on him.

Unlike Mad Michael, I do feel politics is about opinions and views and perhaps an educated opinion and view is probably what he was trying to express but went wayward and said that opinions itself is wrong. Oh well...

So if you don't have an educated opinion on the subject, how did you know he was just wrong?

People have different was of expressing themselves and I undestood what he was getting at and so did you - you were just bored and decided to attack his 'words'.
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So if you don't have an educated opinion on the subject, how did you know he was just wrong?
I don't know that he is 'wrong'. What I do know is that the style of his post was rambling and incoherent, the tone of his post was hostile and combative, and the very essence of it seemed designed to be a rant, rather than a discussion starter. I'm not particularly interested in picking through lines of gibberish in the hope of discovering some sort of valid point. If anything were to be accomplished by my 'critique' perhaps he could pick one point and make it in an understandable way. I wasn't holding out much hope, but there wasn't anything to lose.
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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

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I don't know that he is 'wrong'. What I do know is that the style of his post was rambling and incoherent, the tone of his post was hostile and combative, and the very essence of it seemed designed to be a rant, rather than a discussion starter. I'm not particularly interested in picking through lines of gibberish in the hope of discovering some sort of valid point. If anything were to be accomplished by my 'critique' perhaps he could pick one point and make it in an understandable way. I wasn't holding out much hope, but there wasn't anything to lose.

At least he has balls to express himself.

I've never seen you create a thread at all. Maybe you have, but I'm sure it wouldn't be anything related to you strongly disagreeing to something.

Maybe I'm wrong. Can you show me a thread you created that initiated a conversation about something you feel strongly about? Please link it. I'd like to see it.
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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

Here is but one example: Is Lying Immoral?

True, no sinister conspiracies involved, but there it is.

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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

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Here is but one example: Is Lying Immoral?

True, no sinister conspiracies involved, but there it is.

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I got to admit. That was pretty damn funny.

Is lying immoral?

I was blindsided by that one. Didn't even see that coming! Good one Matt!

You're too funny good Dr.!!

True. It's not conspiracy theory. hahaha. Oh man I'm still laughing. I don't know if you would call this irony. Close if not.
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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

I don't find it that funny. Must be the chemtrails.....

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Ya i figured as much. You didn't want to understand him better, you just wanted to stomp on him.

Unlike Mad Michael, I do feel politics is about opinions and views and perhaps an educated opinion and view is probably what he was trying to express but went wayward and said that opinions itself is wrong. Oh well...

So if you don't have an educated opinion on the subject, how did you know he was just wrong?

People have different was of expressing themselves and I undestood what he was getting at and so did you - you were just bored and decided to attack his 'words'.

Your friend already got me earlier, so you should be able to cease whining and proceed on with your boring Liberal Drivel! Why do I put Caps on words? Its not proper English, its for EFFECT!!

Are You a Daley Liberal there in Chicago? How do they get those Dead people to the Polls to Vote with Dogs and Cats? I worked the Sears Tower in 73-74, just before completion, and that was delightful walking the girders on a windy day from a 1000 ft up! I knew who Joe Stalin was when I was a real little Kid in the 40's, and his Policies killed more innocents than Saddam or Pol Pot! Yea I know a lot about AMERICA, and I even went to the Service, to defend our principles, under a Liberal POTUS! (BIG MISTAKE)

Now you may be brighter but don't come off you intellectually superior, because if You were, you wouldn't be a Liberal!
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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

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Ya i figured as much. You didn't want to understand him better, you just wanted to stomp on him.

Unlike Mad Michael, I do feel politics is about opinions and views and perhaps an educated opinion and view is probably what he was trying to express but went wayward and said that opinions itself is wrong. Oh well...

So if you don't have an educated opinion on the subject, how did you know he was just wrong?

People have different was of expressing themselves and I undestood what he was getting at and so did you - you were just bored and decided to attack his 'words'.
Bemused giggles. More examples of your literacy-challenged posting. You didn't read my words, you had an opinion about what you think I said. To paraphrase kinetic here, "you are factually incorrect".

Please cite the specific passage where I stated that "opinions itself is wrong".

That should be good for some further amusement.
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I don't find it that funny. Must be the chemtrails.....

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Is lying immoral?

I'm glad I didn't jump into that hotbed of controversy.

As a poster expresses himself about the Waco, TX event, he is being judged by an intellect that has finally come to the conclusion that lying just might be bad.

He was just cruising for a bruising with that thread. I'm suprised no one got hurt in that thread.

If this forum was a football game, he would be a spectator judging all the players.
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Re: Was Waco a warning of what Stalinism will be like?

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Now you may be brighter but don't come off you intellectually superior, because if You were, you wouldn't be a Liberal!
Since this thread is pretty much drivel now, perhaps you would care to justify your statement here? Or is it just another fact-free opinion?

For your information, a liberal-political perspective corelates very closely (significantly that is) with higher education. Conservative-political perspectives corelates rather closely with less education.

But please feel free to supply a brilliant counter-argument.

And please, proper English if you want to be taken seriously.
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Here is but one example: Is Lying Immoral?

True, no sinister conspiracies involved, but there it is.

Matt
I believe the 2nd post in that thread turned out to be the dominant argument in that thread. No surprise that.
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