I think that is actually pretty much the publication I read too. Spooky shit. People are in complete denial, though.

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- George Orwell, 1984

Not only are many Americans in denial, they openly embrace this lemming-like philosophy. The sooner they plummet over their lemming-cliff, the better! It'll just leave more freedom for people like us, people who truly love our freedom!

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

I have heard all this before, and have no reson to doubt it.
So what? All it prorves is that Bush was trying to protect his
cutomers' investment. It was money, not ideology which was
the motivating factor.

Come up with some primary sources over P. Bush's signature
before you presume to label him a fascist.




I thought Harriman, a one-time ambassador to the USSR, was
sympathetic to the USSR. In any event, neither he nor the
others you cite above are fascist individuals or organizations
(OBL is more accurately described as a Theocrat). Speaking of
OBL the connection is that he was one of thousands of mujahadeen
in Afgahnistan who were financed the the US.




Empty rhetoric.

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The Bush family is infamous for Corporatism

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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

- George Orwell, 1984

"Blending"? Now what exactly is "blending"?

The two perform all manner of give-and-take under
any form of government.




Previously adressed:
Try again.

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I used the carefully chosen and precise phrase "perceived threat"
to describe the reason for the war in Iraq. WMD development was
certainly the reason I supported the war. Had I known what I do
now, I might not have favored it. There is no way of knowing what
the administration would have favored, unless you can obtain
confirming primary source evidence from its members.

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In fascism, money IS the ideology. Money and power.

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

Red Herring, and inaccurate. The flag is not significantly more
in display now than it was pre-9/11, discounting the ones people
such as me slapped on their cars. Even if it was, flag display has
always been common in times of national crisis, without ill effect,
except in the eyes of a few academics of the Ward Churchill persuasion.




The unprecedented manace of modern international terrorism
has given rise to an unprecedented dabate in Democracies
concerning the human rights of the terrorists themselves. Some
influential politicians and officials, such as John McCain, and the
US Supreme Court favor extending to them some or all of the
rights enjoyed by citizens accused of ordinary civil crime. Others,
who I agree with, favor granting them no rights at all unless
it is convenient: those who seek to destroy our laws should not
necessarily be granted protection under them.




Red herring, and inaccurate. There has been nothing which
could properly be described as a "frenzy", and the threat of
terrorism is real and not percieved. Saddam did not have WMDs.
If he had, he probably would have used them only as a deterrent.
The terrorists, on the other hand, WILL CERTAINLY use them if
they are ever able to obtain them, and the chances they may
attain them are forever increasing, and will never diminish.

Replying to your insubstantial comments is becoming tiring.
I'll take a look at the rest of them later. I may or may not
reply further.

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Gosh, and I have been thinking all this time money was the
ideology of Capitalism.



Now you are on the right track again.

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Apparently, you never read OBL's manifesto. In it, he talks only of a Muslim super-state that would control a huge percentage of the world's oil supply. His argument was economic, with religion thrown only to appeal to the ideologues who fancy virgins in heaven over reality on earth. His is another form of fascism; calling him a theocrat is like calling the current U.S. administration a bunch of theocrats. In reality, they use religion only to further their agendas of seizing wealth & power, using the state to assist them. Which, by the way, is the "According to Hoyle" definition of fascism.

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

I may as well talk to a brick wall. You're just as dense.

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

Anyone who was paying attention ot the primary source evidence would have opposed the war in Iraq from its beginning, which I did. Look no further than James Baker's own think-tank & its espousal of what they thought should be done with Iraq. These neocons were stating what they'd do given the chance as early as 1997, in a very public fashion. Amazingly, you can still find archived articles at Welcome to the Website of the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy, Rice University detailing what they'd do.

Add that to the findings that continued to come from the U.N. weapon's inspectors in that there were no WMDs & you have an asinine, non-truthful reason for going to war. Of course, I'm sure people like you automatically dismiss ANYTHING coming from the U.N. if it doesn't readily fit into your world-view. I've got news for you----your government was lying to you, and you could have known had you but opened your eyes. At least now you realize that you were lied to. . .admitting your problem is the first step to recovery.

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

You are right, I have not read his manifesto, and I do not intend to.
Those two words "Muslim super-state" are all I need to know, and
in my opinion they sufficiently suggest his commitment to theocracy.

He has also given as his very reason for being (1) the presence of
non-Mulims on the holy soil of Arabia as Islam's core territory, and
(2) Israel. (1) has nothing to do with anything except religion,
and (2) is at least partly religious in basis.

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Anyone who bases an argument on a word as vague
as "blending" has a few density problems himself.

In your formulation it goes something like this:
"blending" + lobbying = fascism (but only if the
Republicans are in power).

Is that what passes for academic rigor these days?

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I would expect nothing less of you but to remain ignorant of the real menace. Bush Inc has perverted what the real goal is, & it ain't framed in a Christian vs. Muslim argument. That goes back to understanding the fascist underpinnings of it all, which you also seem to deny. I can only lead you to water, Mr. Ed, but you're gonna have to drink on your own. If you don't want truth serum, then enjoy living in your delusional haze. Just don't go trying to effect policy on my behalf. . .

How perfect that you would post this crap under the "murdering of history" thread. I hear they're hiring for "historians" down at Minitruth, aka Bush's soon-to-be presidential library. Maybe you can go help revise his reputation, just as your kind have done for Ronnie "Iran-Contra" Reagan. We don't negotiate with terrorists? What a pathetic joke.

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson