Yes, they count, but no, they are not examples
of the primary sources I was asking you for.

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More people like me are needed to offset the torrent
of intellectual sewage from people like you.

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From the fury of the Northmen, Good Lord, deliver us.

I am only assuming your documentary work is on a par
with your writing here.

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Look, I'm not gonna do your homework for you. Since you seem unable (or is it unwilling) to delve into the documents I provided you, I can only point you in the right direction. I think you'll find all the answers you need by reading the neocon plan for Iraq (try googling "Moving the Iraqi Economy from Recovery to Sustainable Growth"----look especially for its "Comprehensive Privatization Program") and the James Baker's Council on Foreign Relations (Big Oil) plan for Iraq (try googling "Options for Iraqi Oil" in conjunction with the CFR, for example). This plan was a revision of older plans dating back to the 1990s, with the final plan shaping up in Feb. 2001, a full 7 months before 9/11. This plan also talks about the need for a "Pearl Harbor-like moment" in order to be set forth (how convenient for 9/11). Once you've read this 323-page document, I think you'll have a good understanding of why oil prices are so high & why it's not in the best interests of the U.S. to "win" anything in Iraq save keeping caps on the oil wells in Iraq to keep worldwide oil-levels depressed to keep prices high. You'll glean from these plans that the REAL reason Saddam had to go was because he single-handedly would jack with the price of oil by either pouring a glut of oil onto the market or deciding a week later to shut down operations for awhile. You'll see, esp. in the Baker report, that W.'s oil-buddies in Texas were going crazy over Saddam controlling the price of oil, as were their allies, the Saudis (not to even mention the real controller of America's energy policies, VP Cheney----I could go into the secret energy meetings, but that's a whole 'nother thread).

Remember how the Saudis poured a glut of oil onto the market in March 2003 & temporarily lowered the price-per-barrell to $30? This was to help sell the war to the American public. The Saudis have done this only once before in their history. This was after a Summer 2004 visit by the Saudi crown prince to W.'s spread in Crawford, conveniently right before the upcoming November 2004 election. I wonder why there'd be an interest to lower gas prices in the Autumn of 2004? I certainly cannot think of one. . .

I can't make this stuff up. Read the reports on your own. They say what they say. That's how I write history. I use the primary source documents & the simply say what they say. It is you who is the apologist & attempts to spin the out-of-control administration's policies & actions into something they are not.

I think it is you who will find your face wet. An American ignorant of his government's actions isn't of much use, so please educate yourself!

Merry Christmas--Mark Twain

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

It is unclear whether the vikings wanted to colonise what is now Newfoundland permanently, or whether they were just visiting the area, perhaps scouting for future settlements. The written historical records are unclear and the archaelogical evidence of the single settlement yet found cannot tell.

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President Josiah Bartlet: Sweden has a 100% literacy rate. 100%! How do they do that?
Leo McGarry: Maybe they don't and they can't add.

Sure, and I guess most sailors those days would have thought it was too far to India and China, if trying to sail westward. Columbus did not think so, however, and got the support of Queen Isabella of Spain to make his journey.

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President Josiah Bartlet: Sweden has a 100% literacy rate. 100%! How do they do that?
Leo McGarry: Maybe they don't and they can't add.

Can you quote the lie and prove that it is a lie?

Or is that just paranoid conjecture on your part?

My my, so now you are a mind reader? How do you know all of Hussein's motivations and intentions?

You are wrong, he did have them. UNSCOM, the ISG and the NGIC all found WMD in Iraq. So did the children in Halabja

Also, do you have any evidence that Donald Rumsfeld sold them to Iraq?

Or is that just some more wild speculation on your part?

Seriously, where the hell did you come up with that whacked-out fucked in the head theory?

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

You don't think that was done at the insistence of the Saudis?

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

That's an easy one: the administration was claiming to *know* that Iraq still had WMD, which is an impossibility and therefore a lie.

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

Actually, they weren't getting much cooperation *prior to our troops mobilizing on Iraq's doorstep*: after that started, there was sufficient enough cooperation that Blix recommended that they continue.

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

Yes, it was a Saudi who insisted that we close the base. His name is Osama bin Laden. . .

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

Anyone can quote the lie. Where the heck were you from about Sept. 12, 2001 until the invasion of Iraq in early 2003? I'm not gonna sit here & paste W. quotes all day long----anyone who turned on a television in that time period heard Shrub say it over & over again (not to mention Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al). Were you in solitary confinement during this time period and not able to receive news?

As for Saddam's reasoning for WANTING weapons, well, all you gotta do is read primary source documents. I've provided them elsewhere--go find 'em! (They're a tad bit more illuminating than the stuff that your heroes over on Sly Fox News make up on a daily basis.)

And, on another thread, I've supplied link after link after link after link about the Reagan administration's (and the Bush I administration) role in providing weapons to Saddam.

It's readily abundant, to anyone who will just open their eyes for a second, that I haven't proposed a single theory, just completely substantiated facts.
It is you, dear friend, who seems to be confused.

And finally, I'd really appreciate it if you take a tad different tone with me. I don't recall ever speaking to you in such a manner, nor will I. We're all friends here----there's no need to curse at one another!

Best wishes for a wonderful new year to you!

Your friend--Mark

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"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket."

Thomas Jefferson

I think you're confusing correlation with direct causation.

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

I do not consider it a lie if sincerely believed,
and not intended to decieve.

A primary source establishing insincerity and deception
would have to be something like minutes or diaries
made by the principals.

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From the fury of the Northmen, Good Lord, deliver us.

Link, please, not that anything Blix said would be
any assurance that Saddam would actually start
cooperating after all.

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From the fury of the Northmen, Good Lord, deliver us.