I do not recall us ever discussing that issue? However, I doubt a debate on the issue will be fruitful anyway; the hate, venom and intolerance from the Holocaust-supporters prevents a rational debate on the issue.

i challenge you to prove napolean existed. it was a french conspiracy. there is no evidence to support such a claim. in fact i find it highly unlikely the french have ever won a battle ever in thier existance as a people. Documents were forged by french wine and cheese international corporations to make people believe french people were stronger and superior then they really were. In order to promote the french cultural superiority and hence the french wine and cheese products superiority.

Because of this act of deception, the french have grown to controll all aspects of the world. The french have made trillions of dollars and throughout the late 30's they proceeded to buy international media agencies in secret. Truly they have used faked jewish names to order millions of stock and have proceeded to mold and push secret french world experiments.

The french have instigated ww2, faked it all, truthfully germany was always a mere colony of the french, such things continued on to this day, when french fearing american power.. faked alquida and bin laden via news and media.. to insitigate america into conflict in iraq, where they could denounce and therefor gain moral superiority in the world. and watch american armies crumble with glee.

I have no hate of you, hell I do not even know you and it isn't worth the effort to hate someone so clearly pursuing a minority agenda that flies in the face of overwhelming evidence. Moeover you never debate, you preach, and there is a difference.

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We are not discussing Napolean...

Here is the difference; I would not jail you for such historical revisionism. I would encourage others to debate you. Now just if we could get most of Western Europe to adopt my tolerant attitude toward historical debate we could settle this issue once and for all!

You may be onto something; anyone care to debate this dude or should we just declare him a Francophobe?

Be careful you are inciting hatred and that could get you five years in Jail! You may end up sharing a cell with other revisionists who dared to challenge an aspect of history!....Oooops no you are in the United States! Do not worry if the ADL sponsored hate bills go through eventually you will likely end up on the proverbial chopping block...

NAZI! RACIST! BIGOT! FRANCO-DENIER! CONSPIRACY THEORIST HITLER WORSHIPPER! (Joke mods, no yelling intended)

Of course you have yet to provide any of this magical evidence you mention but why let that get in the why of a good party line speech....

How come teapots and kettles are coming to mind...

Perhaps because you like tea or are looking at a mirror right now.

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see my point is.. somethings can be made up just to be mean and cruel.. to push a hatefull agenda.. believe me i could do the same thing to canadians i believe you are canadian.. ... it wouldn matter.. i could make anything up.. and if you show me a picture of napoleon.. or showed me historical documents.. accounts of wars.. i could dismiss it all as french propaganda. just like you..

I have not dismissed anything as propaganda but you need to accept that photo's of dead decomposing bodies does prove that 6,000,000 Jews were exterminated in a systemic campaign. I am certainly not going to deny the existance camps or that Jews were killed in WWII but there are legitimate questions regarding the events of that war...

On the other hand; I would like to ask Mr. Osbourne where he obtained his information? He created a rather elaborate post and I would like to know the sources of information....

I am not a jew, my father was not a jew. my grandfather was a jew Who converted to catholism when he married an Irish catholic woman. I hold a name of German Jewish origin. I know little if anything about jewish customs or celebrations or culture.. unfortuanetly it has been deluded out of my family. My family lineage however traces back to wealthy elite Austrian officers who have fought nobly and won more then a few medals in the first great war... then to many who left austria and germany after ww1 and arrived in America during the great depression.


What you have to understand, was that in the early days no one wanted to believe what was going on in germany. Stories of Jews being rounded up and put in ghettos, jewish merchants being ransaked, synogogues being burned down.. jews rounded up and placed on trains to Auschwitz,Belzec, treblinka, or jasenovac this could not possibly happen. its unbelievable.

Then In america A jew needed sponsorship to get out of Germany, so when my great great grandfather recieved a letter from a man his family, a distant relative, who needed help to get out of germany, claiming all the horrible things that were going on at the time. He ignored it. it was just not possible.

my relatives fought for germany in ww1 and were slaughtered in ww2 by germany.


Nazis in uniform in Vienna, Austria 1938 mock Jewish men forced to scrub streets

I don't get this discussion about "Holocaust numbers". There can hardly be any discussion whether the NAZIS systematically persecuted and killed Jews and several other groups of people. Does it make any difference if the number of killed Jews is 6 Million or 5 or 4 or 3 million? Nobody can know the exact number. It may be interesting from some academic viewpoint. But it hardly makes any difference about the consequences. And that can hardly be something like "come on, the Nazis probably only killed 3 or 4 million Jews ... they weren't so bad after all.".

I thought you said they fought for Austria?

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This stuff, along with the succeding post about Auschwitz having swimming pools for the inmates, is by far the biggest bunch of baloney I've ever seen on USPOL.

What a hoot this post is.

It is a matter of academic, historical and intellectual honesty! I do not want my children being taught a lie (or a mistaken belief) as truth!

For example, the mainstream media peddles the six million number:

UN General Assembly condemns Holocaust denial | CBC.ca
Hanson will share stage with Holocaust denier | NEWS.com.au

I do not appreciate being lied to and mainstream media sources supporting a casualty number that is admittedly unproven but merely an estimate at best!

Frank theres a few things you need to know...first there is an absolute positive number i believe its 3. to 3.5 mill. exterminated in German death camps alone this is known by using nazi records. the problem is that even before these camps were oppened before 1942 hitlers final solution, 1 million jews were killed in various ways...also in Soviet union jews were just shot and thrown in pits... and thats another 1 million atleast...

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He very obviously pulled it out of his arse as do the rest of the holocaust deniers. His post contains absolutely no factual information as can be confirmed by any 12 year old with the capacity to google.