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Old 08-02-2007
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New Zealand has gone about dealing with past indigenous issues far better than Australia or the US has in comparison.

Regarding cellphones, check out where columbite-tantalite comes from.
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I have cut down on the new computer parts in recent times since becoming aware of what I was indirectly supporting.

Fuel wise, you'll do well to beat a 1.8 litre diesel car on fuel efficiency.
umm, but you still use the oil... now how does that give you a right to declare that i support murder when i buy gas?

If someone kills somebody with a teddy bear, am i guilty for buying one from the same company? Afterall, they made a product that can kill someone, and i bought it, keeping them in business to sell to those that use the teddy bears for murder...
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Old 08-09-2007
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Re: Native American genocide?

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Can the actions of the Spanish, British, and evntually the American governments towards native populations from discovery to the nineteenth century be considered genocidal? why or why not?
Because such a notion is ridicules.
First off, native American is a minimum qualification in seeking candidateship for office of the president of the United States of America.
Secondly your knowledge of American history seems to have fallen victim to Stalinism and the definition of conquer has never been buying property above fair market value from our friends and neighbors..

Your knowledge of American history is neither (Just think of Michel Moore in charge of recording history for the Bush administration and you can get an idea of the kind of Ward Churchill ass-clowns are in charge of this generation of numb-nuts scholastic publishing’s.).
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Because such a notion is ridicules.
First off, native American is a minimum qualification in seeking candidateship for office of the president of the United States of America.
Secondly your knowledge of American history seems to have fallen victim to Stalinism and the definition of conquer has never been buying property above fair market value from our friends and neighbors..

Your knowledge of American history is neither (Just think of Michel Moore in charge of recording history for the Bush administration and you can get an idea of the kind of Ward Churchill ass-clowns are in charge of this generation of numb-nuts scholastic publishing’s.).
Your ability to even approach this question seems to be severely impaired. I will not warrant your humorous rant with any detailed response. I will suggest that you at least examine the works of some professional historians that are a wee bit above scholoastic publishing levels.
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Old 08-09-2007
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Re: Native American genocide?

Yes. It was genocidal because the native americans had rights to land as it was their culture to hold on to.
When you upset that culture by killing because it was not in their tradition to negotiate their cultural inheritance of land, you are guilty of GENOCIDE.
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Old 08-10-2007
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Can the actions of the Spanish, British, and evntually the American governments towards native populations from discovery to the nineteenth century be considered genocidal? why or why not?
Because such a notion is ridicules.
First off, native American is a minimum qualification in seeking candidateship for office of the president of the United States of America.
Secondly your knowledge of American history seems to have fallen victim to Stalinism and the definition of conquer has never been buying property above fair market value from our friends and neighbors..

Your knowledge of American history is neither (Just think of Michel Moore in charge of recording history for the Bush administration and you can get an idea of the kind of Ward Churchill ass-clowns are in charge of this generation of numb-nuts scholastic publishing’s.).
Your ability to even approach this question seems to be severely impaired.
I’m glad you are at least open minded enough to considered the possibility, I mean considering your obvious awareness of conflicted historical claims since the Nixon era.

We were welcomed immigrants, friend of the American Indian (See how much easier and less confusing that is to say then “native American” which describes 98.7% of the U.S. population.).
Everything you seem to have willingly excepted about anything American is wrong and of ulterior motive.
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I will not warrant your humorous rant with any detailed response.
Aahhh please. I’d love to explain how full of shit your all knowing and wise 60’s era ten-speed riding sandal wearing draft dodgers in the academic arena wish what you propagate to be true.
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I will suggest that you at least examine the works of some professional historians that are a wee bit above scholoastic publishing levels.
You will find only what the deceivers wish you to know. The truth is it was the Indians that were racist and murders that killed settling families on land they knew was sold by tribal leaders. Thousands of whole families slaughtered and even children’s heads were cut off as for there scalps to be worn as trophies like some sick “Predator movie“…
Big hint: Murdering racist conquers would not buy land and set up reservations to assure that every American Indian has a chance in the new land or a choice of his own rule and ways.
I mean duhhh.
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Big hint: Murdering racist conquers would not buy land and set up reservations to assure that every American Indian has a chance in the new land or a choice of his own rule and ways.
I mean duhhh.
What if the reservations were set up to encourage disease and pestilence? Yeah, and the land was bought, not conquered, riiiight.

How do you explain the reservations made by Hitler and the nazis? Werent they racist conquerors?

When we speak of this issue, we are talking about complex interaction over 400 years. The generalist, surface answers which you are providing arent exaclty addressing this reality. No one can say "we were welcome immigrants" because there were thousands of tribes and many did not welcome white people, who butchered their land and way of life.

Also, the cherokees attempted to deal with the US diplomatically, and experienced a massive deportation that parallelled the Bataan death march.

Andrew Jackson said to the US Senate "I believe the Cherokee nation should be scourged" (he also mutilated 800 creek indians and collected their body parts, an act which you apparently detest)

Governor of the California territority said he was fighting "a war of extermination" (it was law that any settler could take any indian as his slave, no quesions asked)

i am only scratching the surface of this complex issue, you are trying to dismiss the question in one sentence, while competent individuals understand it takes years of real research to even approach this issue, and your posts in no way represent any form of real knowledge on the issue.
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Old 08-10-2007
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Re: Native American genocide?

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gen·o·cide(jn-sd)
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The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.
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I'd say yes.
From your definition, I'd say no. I strongly doubt that the British and Spanish (Portuguese, French, etc.) planned objetive was to exterminate the indian population. Not sure about americans after them though.
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Old 08-13-2007
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~snip~ We were welcomed immigrants, friend of the American Indian.
The truth is it was the Indians that were racist and were killing us because of the color of our skin.
Whole settling families slaughtered for simply being white on land the renegades knew was sold by tribal leaders. Thousands of whole families slaughtered and even children’s heads were cut off as for there scalps to be worn as trophies like some sick “Predator movie simply because of Indians being racists and not wanting us in there neighborhoods.
What if the reservations were set up to encourage disease and pestilence?
My God man, at what magnitude can the deceivers take you guys before you see a flag?
Let me guess, Westerns and old John Wayne movies depicting Indians as murdering savages was a massive rightwing conspiracy right? I mean Hillary hadn’t even applied for the copyrights on that saying yet. She was still a socialist activist supporting weatherman terrorists…
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Yeah, and the land was bought, not conquered, riiiight.
Isn’t there any references or records left from before the 1970’s? An old text book that liberals hadn’t banned or revised yet before it found it’s way into an old used book store perhaps.
America is not a race. Americans are the best of the best from all over the world (Including American Indians.).
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How do you explain the reservations made by Hitler and the nazis? Werent they racist conquerors?
Everything you know is either wrong, taught to you out of context intentionally or allowed to be taken to all the way into La La fucking Land because of titles given those that would tell you there untrue.
Hitler in actuality paralleled the Indians if anything. They were killing us trying to purify there country from our presence.
Hitler was doing the same.
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I mean Hillary hadn’t even applied for the copyrights on that saying yet. She was still a socialist activist supporting weatherman terrorists…
Just wow.

You ought to be sued for that.
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C’mon, she doesn’t really own the copyrights, every time she and numb nut got in trouble the liberal press would gather around for her traditional, “It’s a massive right wing conspiracy“ response and the real news made fun of her is all.
I made no claim towards her jingle...
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Old 08-13-2007
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Re: Native American genocide?

The Europeans were technically strong, the natives weak. They got thier butts kicked. Might not be nice, but this is how things are. Que sera, sera.

I'm just glad I am on the winning side.

Besides, we introduced them to Christianity, providing the gift of everlasting life in Heaven. Overall, more than ample restitution.
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Old 08-14-2007
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The Europeans were technically strong, the natives weak. They got thier butts kicked. Might not be nice, but this is how things are. Que sera, sera.

I'm just glad I am on the winning side.

Besides, we introduced them to Christianity, providing the gift of everlasting life in Heaven. Overall, more than ample restitution.
It’s still that way. Hell the United States could conquer the entire world in a single afternoon.
It’s a good thing were really not as awful as the deceivers make us out to be.. Imagine china, Russia, N. Korea Cuba Iran, hell anyone else having that much fire power and you can appreciate us being the only world power. We watch over and protect the whole world from themselves. We’ve always been good. Evil hates that.
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C’mon, she doesn’t really own the copyrights, every time she and numb nut got in trouble the liberal press would gather around for her traditional, “It’s a massive right wing conspiracy“ response and the real news made fun of her is all.
I made no claim towards her jingle...
It was your slander regarding Hillary and the Weathermen terrorists that could be legally actionable.
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C’mon, she doesn’t really own the copyrights, every time she and numb nut got in trouble the liberal press would gather around for her traditional, “It’s a massive right wing conspiracy“ response and the real news made fun of her is all.
I made no claim towards her jingle...
It was your slander regarding Hillary and the Weathermen terrorists that could be legally actionable.
Wow, you people really don’t know who it is you’ve aligned yourselves with do you?:
Hillary Clinton - Hillary Rodham Clinton’s Wellesley Thesis - The Hillary Project - HillaryProject.com

You do know that the weatherman organization executed judges that ruled against them, bombed and killed civilians working in American defense manufacturing, executed innocent bank guards and employees when they would rob banks for financing ect:
Weatherman: Information from Answers.com



Dude, listen carefully. There is not now or has ever been a Christian/right wing conspiracy or cover-up of any kind. Look into your heart and you should see who is empowered by hate, evil and unsettled hearts and who is good, just and truthful.
Run from the deceivers once you see them, run like from a fire.

In case you also didn’t know, after they entered universities, seized classrooms and even held hostages they started other organizations to regain power. Some students where even killed by our military trying to get the universities back from them (Now they have the universities again.).
They splintered and started Environmental groups, Queer empowerment, feminist ect and are still focused on the infrastructure of The united States of America. These people in sheep’s clothing you see as wise could give a rats ass about queer rights, women rights, the environment or civil rights. They play you as a fool to divide and versify the greatest, wises, most fair and noble nation that has existed in the history of man…
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The Europeans were technically strong, the natives weak. They got thier butts kicked. Might not be nice, but this is how things are. Que sera, sera.
Wow. Imagine such a cruel and crass statement about the holocaust. you would be chastised quite thoroughly for such a statement. But since it was only natives who cares......



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Besides, we introduced them to Christianity, providing the gift of everlasting life in Heaven. Overall, more than ample restitution.
I really hope you are joking here.

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