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Old 05-03-2007
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This is not the case. Americans are like hyenas. We Europeans misstreated 3rd world countries, but got civilized a hundred years ago. We left those developing countries weakened by our colonialism. And then the American hyenas attacked them only to rob what was left.

It was the same in Europe. When Soviet Union destroyed fascism from Europe, the American hyenas attacked, destroyed all the German cities, towns and villages and occupied the western Europe and still occupy it - and forced the countries to join NATO, the tool of occupation today. Then USA established the Gladio Program to create tension between western Europe and our neighboring Soviet Union - just to be able to eat the prey - Europe. I don't have better words to describe the maddness.
it hasnt been 100 years since Europe gave up its pathetic attempts at colonialism, BTW.

Your analysis of World War Two is hilarious. Too bad the freedom-loving Soviets dismantled East German infrastructure and sent it home, leaving that area in a depression which is still there. You should write your american embassy and thank them for NATO, if you had any understanding of reality. I know it gets yall buthurt to think about yourselves being pawns in a chess game, but at least some of you got the joy of being America's pawns.
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Yes we chose to. If we felt we were in our right and that we should take over the world we would build a super army like the States.

look at this frightening picture on 2005 defense budgets

i do think that america should probably be more appropriately compared to the entire EU, as we are about what? 4/5ths the size of all of europe populations and economy? even then we would have probably more then double.. but thats the way i like it.. and you have nothing to fear from american military.. i dont think the army is that much more sophisticated then yours anyway.. i think its all going to the airforce.. and of course our navy is larger then just about everyone elses combined..not to mention the funds needed to maintain a substantial force overseas and paying for damaged and destroyed equipment.. and of course research..
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It was the same in Europe. When Soviet Union destroyed fascism from Europe, the American hyenas attacked, destroyed all the German cities, towns and villages and occupied the western Europe and still occupy it
so stupid its cute. those parisians celebrating in the streets.. cheering on americans i bet they were traitors to the european cause huh..lol
you are a communist arnt you? your just sad your soviet empire which i believe.. could have conquered you if it not for your nazi allies.. is no longer.
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btw bin laden has denied he got funding from america.. i bet it would do worse for his reputation then to ours if the opposite was true. so i dont care
ne ways those militants only hated us because of israel.. of which europe created. and america supports because we dont want to see another holocaust and no one else seems to see that, i mean if it were not for america israel would be in isolation from the rest of the world trying to fight off thos animals. i dont really think there is much strategic benifit in it like stealing oil.. whatever you goof balls think. well i bet we get the intelligence benifit from them..
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i do think that america should probably be more appropriately compared to the entire EU, as we are about what? 4/5ths the size of all of europe populations and economy? even then we would have probably more then double.. but thats the way i like it.. and you have nothing to fear from american military.. i dont think the army is that much more sophisticated then yours anyway.. i think its all going to the airforce.. and of course our navy is larger then just about everyone elses combined..not to mention the funds needed to maintain a substantial force overseas and paying for damaged and destroyed equipment.. and of course research..
That was a cool graph. Do you have one showing the % of military spending via GNP? Also please, the contributions % of GNP regarding funding/arming of NATO?
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That was a cool graph. Do you have one showing the % of military spending via GNP? Also please, the contributions % of GNP regarding funding/arming of NATO?


Code:
		GDP		Defence	
Malta		7.773		45	
Cyprus		21.040		384	
Estonia		21.731		237	
Latvia		31.230		278	
Luxembourg	34.692		254	
Slovenia	44.597		623	
Lithuania	49.898		356	
Bulgaria	69.073		712	
Slovakia	86.661		963	
Ireland		171.393		700	
Finland		171.430		2.800	
Hungary		183.223		1.299	
Denmark		187.594		3.950	
Romania		196.640		2.291	
Czechia		216.779		2.511	
Portugal	229.881		3.080	
Greece		271.310		7.287	
Austria		281.357		2.335	
Sweden		292.193		5.700	
Belgium		344.842		4.427	
Poland		524.435		6.235	
Netherlands	541.513		9.904	
Spain		1.140.929	14.416	
Italy		1.713.399	30.635	
France		1.835.696	54.002	
United Kingdom	2.006.078	55.138	
Germany		2.436.004	37.775	
			
EU-27 total	13.111.391	248337		1,85%
			
United States	12.229.276	511035		4,18%
		Million $
sources: IMF, NATO. figures are of 2006. I couldnt find nato funding

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what i could find is this

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There are three budgets: one civil and two military. Each NATO member country pays an amount into the budgets based on an agreed cost-sharing formula. Taken together, these budgets represent less than half of one percent of the total defence budget expenditures of NATO countries.
So its not much
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so stupid its cute. those parisians celebrating in the streets.. cheering on americans i bet they were traitors to the european cause huh..lol
you are a communist arnt you? your just sad your soviet empire which i believe.. could have conquered you if it not for your nazi allies.. is no longer.
The people in Paris were celebrating the destruction of fascism from Europe - and this was done by Soviet Union - USA did not have any role in that. As I said, the Americans came like hyenas to steal what could be taken. I know how these issues have been told to Americans by your government - you just don't know the facts because of the extensive propaganda.

You must ask these questions from Brittons - they know that the only thing USA did in WW2 in Europe, was the demolition of civilian towns of Germany. Even in Normandia, the US troops were put "by mistake" to a peatbog without any German resistance - in the whole area there was very little resistance (some invalid German soldiers and Polish prosoners).
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The people in Paris were celebrating the destruction of fascism from Europe - and this was done by Soviet Union - USA did not have any role in that. As I said, the Americans came like hyenas to steal what could be taken. I know how these issues have been told to Americans by your government - you just don't know the facts because of the extensive propaganda.

You must ask these questions from Brittons - they know that the only thing USA did in WW2 in Europe, was the demolition of civilian towns of Germany. Even in Normandia, the US troops were put "by mistake" to a peatbog without any German resistance - in the whole area there was very little resistance (some invalid German soldiers and Polish prosoners).
How much I am thankful for what the Americans did, but this really is the truth.

Germany lost the war to russia and then you invaded normandy to prevent the russians from taking everything. What you did to defeat Nazi Germany is really minor compared to what the russians did. Germany would have fallen also if the Americans remained neutral.
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The people in Paris were celebrating the destruction of fascism from Europe - and this was done by Soviet Union - USA did not have any role in that. As I said, the Americans came like hyenas to steal what could be taken. I know how these issues have been told to Americans by your government - you just don't know the facts because of the extensive propaganda.

You must ask these questions from Brittons - they know that the only thing USA did in WW2 in Europe, was the demolition of civilian towns of Germany. Even in Normandia, the US troops were put "by mistake" to a peatbog without any German resistance - in the whole area there was very little resistance (some invalid German soldiers and Polish prosoners).
Actually, the United States liberated France and made the war a two front war, greatly aiding the Soviets. While the Soviets fought longer, bigger, and harder, your belittlement of American blood spent on French soil is emblamatic of European chauvanism and a sad attempt to hold on to some scrap of pride. I guess you've never visited the graves near Normandy?

BTW, any of you familiar with the alleged peace offering by Stalin to Hitler in 1944? didnt think so

Were it not for the American and British blood spilled on the continent of Europe, the Soviets would have disassembled your industrial infrastructure and sent it home, leaving you pathetic vassals to slave labor, peasant collective farming etc, not to mention all of you who would have met the GULAG.

Therefore, whenever a British or American veteran is kind enough to visit Europe and contribute to your tourism industries, you should fall to your knees in thanks, that would be if you had any class, appreciation, and dignity. (unless you were on the other side of the iron curtian, then i guess were sorry we couldnt beat the soviets to you)
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This is not the case. Americans are like hyenas. We Europeans misstreated 3rd world countries, but got civilized a hundred years ago. We left those developing countries weakened by our colonialism. And then the American hyenas attacked them only to rob what was left.

It was the same in Europe. When Soviet Union destroyed fascism from Europe, the American hyenas attacked, destroyed all the German cities, towns and villages and occupied the western Europe and still occupy it - and forced the countries to join NATO, the tool of occupation today. Then USA established the Gladio Program to create tension between western Europe and our neighboring Soviet Union - just to be able to eat the prey - Europe. I don't have better words to describe the maddness.
funny how western europe was a much better place to be, post WW2, and the recently liberated eastern europeans for the most part are pro US.

But, im sure your fantasies are more preferable to you.
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funny how western europe was a much better place to be, post WW2, and the recently liberated eastern europeans for the most part are pro US.

But, im sure your fantasies are more preferable to you.
Its really the truth. I appreciate what you did in ww2 and it probably helped the people of western europe a lot.

But if you look at the sheer size of the eastern german army versus the west army you see that what the americans did was really minor compared to what the russians did. Germany would have lost also if the us didnt interfere.
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Its really the truth. I appreciate what you did in ww2 and it probably helped the people of western europe a lot.

But if you look at the sheer size of the eastern german army versus the west army you see that what the americans did was really minor compared to what the russians did. Germany would have lost also if the us didnt interfere.
i dunno.. we tied up many divisions in africa, in italy and kept germany wasting money on his atlantic wall.. we destroyed his ability for shipping for manufacture... if nazi germany was not afraid of an invasion from the american/brit/canadian and other allies from england then he could have put much more divisions into the eastern theater. not to mention how much good some oil planes and tanks would do if it were not for the american bombing... i would bet it would have ultimately ending in german victory or a stalemate.. also dont forget we also beat the japs at the same time with little of your help btw
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by the way on this day 62 years ago the germans capitulated in the netherlands.

what a coincidence
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Its really the truth. I appreciate what you did in ww2 and it probably helped the people of western europe a lot.

But if you look at the sheer size of the eastern german army versus the west army you see that what the americans did was really minor compared to what the russians did. Germany would have lost also if the us didnt interfere.
The army that Hitler ordered to invade the Soviet Union during Operation Barbarossa was the largest invasion force ever assembled and sent on a single campaign. Three million men. You are very right. However, as metalted stated, Allied bombing, disruptions in Africa, and threat of invasion influence the Third Reich rather significantly, While a majority of the blood shed in the European theatre was generally to the east. However, it is not necessarily a slam dunk to say that Germany would have lost without US and allied interference. Obviously entering a realm of speculation, but we must remember that Stalin presented one surrender offer early in the war towards the end of Operation Barbarossa, and there is an alleged attempted peace negotiation during 1944 made by Stalin again. Although neither included unconditional surrender, it suggests that had things been slightly different (no allied war effort) things could have ended differently.
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