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Old 05-07-2007
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Re: Blame Europe.

Is it safe to come out of my bunker and eat a french fry?

We should have listened to the French instead of maligning them with those stupid freedom fry campaigns.

French intelligence services did not come up with the same alarming assessment of Iraq and WMD as did the Britain and the United States. "According to secret agents at the DGSE, Saddam's Iraq does not represent any kind of nuclear threat at this time…It [the French assessment] contradicts the CIA's analysis…"5 French spies said that the Iraqi nuclear threat claimed by the United States was a "phony threat."6

After Secretary of State Colin Powell's speech on February 5, 2003 to the United Nations Security Council, the focus of discussion among U.S. allies changed. France, Russia, and Germany did not find Powell's "evidence" strong enough to support the U.S.'s stance on the Iraqi threat.
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Old 05-18-2007
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so it is mere coincidence that this choice occurred right as european ability to build super armies crumbled?
As you can see from erikvv's graph, Europe's ability to build super armies has not disappeared. The will to do so has. We have better things to do with our time and money. Can't play sojer for ever. Have to grow up eventually.

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it is mere coincidence that this 'choice' occurred as your overseas empires forcibly sent you home, without the money and resources which you were taking?
Well, technically, most european countries probably could have hung onto their colonies. They'd just have had to pile the corpses of insurgents and civilians alike sky high (remind you of anything?). Our respective public opinions disapproved of the notion. The will wasn't there, not the ability.

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it is mere coincidence that this choice occurred right as your global influence was flushed down the drain and your continent became a chess board for the cold war?
Probably not. Hard to maintain a posture of moral superiority in the UN when you're an evil imperialist...
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Old 05-18-2007
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the critical question is, however, how does the US role or approach differ from the European? how many democracy experiments did the European colonials attempt in the ME?
Let's be sensible here...When exactly did African-Americans get the right to vote in the US? Was it a democracy experiment? Are you proud that the US was about the last "western" country (excluding, possibly, South Africa...) to get rid of its racially discriminative laws?
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you, europeans are responisible for being abusive and racist and colonialist for centuries.. and in your wake you have left alot of sore feelings against the western world.. of which america is apart of... america is the desendents of europeans who had brought over european beliefs of superiority and racism.. when americans slaughtered the indians.. it started as we were europeans.. slavery was brought to america by europeans.. so racism is a wholey european thing.. when we stop being racist we become americans.. because america is a country of many races and ethnicitys..
Hilarious. The US of A are one of the most racist and intolerant countries on Earth. Tied with Iran.

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europeans try to imitate us by pretending to be 'multicultural' by encouraging as many foriegners into thier countries as possible.. they think they can be like us.. but they cant.. which is why you have a huge rise in extremly polarised racist groups.. including rise in neo nazi and communist parties.. of which some of your belief system seems to stem from...
Europeans certainly don't think they can be like Americans. For one thing, WE don't claim to be God's chosen people, and religion stays where it belongs...In church. If one of our elected officials starts mouthing off about God, we kick him out. We don't reelect people who made fools of us and killed thousands of our countrymen in the process, either. In short, most europeans could never be americans. They're not arrogant, bigoted, or masochist enough.

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your hate and racism.. butchering of entire peoples has created long standing problems in the world.. you riots and brutal treatment of the jews has created zionism.. your partioning of the land and encouragment to jews to go to israel..

what have you done for the world recently?
honestly...

and now you see this mess you created and place the blame on america.. its rather sad.. you have done nothing for palestine... and only encourage violent racism coming from the muslim world with your misplaced sympathies after you screwed up the planet..


thanks.
What have YOU done for the planet recently? Besides bombing third world countries to rubble every other day, emitting more greenhouse gasses than the rest of the world combined, and sending a guy to play golf on the Moon? (This last was cool, I have to admit. Useless, but still cool).
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What have YOU done for the planet recently? Besides bombing third world countries to rubble every other day, emitting more greenhouse gasses than the rest of the world combined, and sending a guy to play golf on the Moon? (This last was cool, I have to admit. Useless, but still cool).
China actually produces more greenhouse gases than we do.

And do you really want to compare the wars we've started? I doubt it....

Nobody's perfect. Not the US, not Europe. We both know this.

Now, if someone can explain it to Analyst, we'll be all set.

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Re: Blame Europe.

dble...
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Europeans certainly don't think they can be like Americans. For one thing, WE don't claim to be God's chosen people, and religion stays where it belongs...In church. If one of our elected officials starts mouthing off about God, we kick him out. We don't reelect people who made fools of us and killed thousands of our countrymen in the process, either. In short, most europeans could never be americans. They're not arrogant, bigoted, or masochist enough.
Plus id like to add that making your people afraid and talking fiercely about hunting down terrorist isnt going to get you votes here.

reminds me of this family guy clip
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China actually produces more greenhouse gases than we do.

And do you really want to compare the wars we've started? I doubt it....

Nobody's perfect. Not the US, not Europe. We both know this.

Now, if someone can explain it to Analyst, we'll be all set.

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My point exactly. Anyway, I didn't colonize anywhere, personally, and I somehow doubt you are a slave owner.
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Plus id like to add that making your people afraid and talking fiercely about hunting down terrorist isnt going to get you votes here.

reminds me of this family guy clip
I'd like to agree with you, unfortunately we just elected Sarkozy on the basis of this excellent platform...
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China actually produces more greenhouse gases than we do.

And do you really want to compare the wars we've started? I doubt it....

Nobody's perfect. Not the US, not Europe. We both know this.

Now, if someone can explain it to Analyst, we'll be all set.

Matt
I agree. We all made mistakes. The US did what it thought was right when throwing all those weapons in the middle east and supporting dictators and islamic fascists during the cold war. And maybe it helped.

But times have changed and it just seems like 'joe sixpack' has 0 knowledge and respect to the rest of the world. It start with simple knowledge like not knowing how many eiffel towers there are in Paris. I bet I could convince half the americans that Portugal is a dictatorship and that Greece is a battlefield agains islam.

If you dont know anything about the world a governement can make their people believe anything. I think there is greater potential for support of a big war in america now then there was in germany during hitler.

I think it would help a lot if every american toured a few weeks through europe and every european a few weeks through america.
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the critical question is.. if the UN is not a force worthy of listening to in 1948.. then why was it a force worth listening to in 2003? you wanna know why the jews got thier homeland? guilt.. and believe me it was not just the Germans that commited the holocaust... it was austrians polls czecks italians french swiss.. all collaborators.. and dont tell me they had no other choice.. because they damn well did.. they could have joined the resistance.
You don't have a clue. Italy and Switzerland did no such thing, nor did Czekoslovakia. The rest were defeated and occupied, and had little choice, unlike american companies such as IBM, for instance, which sold Hitler the calculators that let him run the Endlösung so efficiently. Btw, since we're on the subject, out of the 300,000 jews that resided in France, about 40,000 were deported by Vichy and the rest were captured by german troops for a total of 76,000 deported. That leaves 225,000, about 3/4th of the total who were not betrayed and often actively helped to hide or escape by french people who were, incidentally, risking their own lives by doing so.
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Old 05-20-2007
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actually, the whole IBM thing is a huge exaggeration, at least according to Holocaust scholars.

The Slovaks and Lithuanians are two groups who contributed to Jewish murders and deportations willingly with little/no pressure from the Nazis.
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Well, technically, most european countries probably could have hung onto their colonies. They'd just have had to pile the corpses of insurgents and civilians alike sky high (remind you of anything?). Our respective public opinions disapproved of the notion. The will wasn't there, not the ability.
its funny you believe that morality had anything to do with why france abandoned vietnam. or any other european countries giving up thier colonies for that matter.
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Hilarious. The US of A are one of the most racist and intolerant countries on Earth. Tied with Iran.
iv been an american all my life obviously and i have never seen what you are describing. shows me you know very little if anything at all about america. or you tend to believe what everyone else tells you... thats unfortunate.



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Europeans certainly don't think they can be like Americans. For one thing, WE don't claim to be God's chosen people, and religion stays where it belongs...In church. If one of our elected officials starts mouthing off about God, we kick him out. We don't reelect people who made fools of us and killed thousands of our countrymen in the process, either. In short, most europeans could never be americans. They're not arrogant, bigoted, or masochist enough.
i have never heard anyone refer to americans as being the chosen people.
and frankly speeches that mention god atleast once, as an aethiest id say tend to be better... speeches by lincoln, winston churchhill, and many others whose names escape me at this moment in time. oh... europeans.. they are plenty arogant enough.


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What have YOU done for the planet recently? Besides bombing third world countries to rubble every other day, emitting more greenhouse gasses than the rest of the world combined, and sending a guy to play golf on the Moon? (This last was cool, I have to admit. Useless, but still cool).
for one why not take a look at albanian muslims think.
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You don't have a clue. Italy and Switzerland did no such thing, nor did Czekoslovakia. The rest were defeated and occupied, and had little choice, unlike american companies such as IBM, for instance, which sold Hitler the calculators that let him run the Endlösung so efficiently. Btw, since we're on the subject, out of the 300,000 jews that resided in France, about 40,000 were deported by Vichy and the rest were captured by german troops for a total of 76,000 deported. That leaves 225,000, about 3/4th of the total who were not betrayed and often actively helped to hide or escape by french people who were, incidentally, risking their own lives by doing so.
lol i guess because anne frank was hidden by german civilians that absolves germany from guilt for the holocaust.
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