Speakeasy;
Tibbets was the trigger-man. My loathing extends to any of the other 180,000 participants directly responsible for the mass-murder of civilians. Research is one thing; premeditated mass-murder quite something else.

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Yanqui, go home.

Your post and my reply are not exaclty at home in this thread, but I feel that I must respond, apologies for the off topic.

You are a U.S. citizen, right?
What actual knowledge you have of the people and cultures in the Middle-Eastern region?
If you call all of those various tribes and people "so-called people", I can call you an ignorant racist who speaks things he knows nothing of.

You are talking about, no.. boasting about annihilation of millions and millions of people, who only live in that region as did their forefathers before them.
You are pathetic in that way.

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En uneksi. I do not dream.

Dr.G;
{i]I[/i] don't disagree. I use the religious terminolgy to further embarrass those who believe that they can sanction the mass-murder of a quarter of a million civilians on the one hand and perform with piety on the other. Anybody lauding Tebbits and claiming humanitarian feelings simultaneously is a hypocrite par excellence.

Curse the ratshit genocidal little monster, and all that sailed with him.

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.

Imagine the Chinese point of view, the Japanese invaded, and brutally suppressed the population, slaughtering millions, the Chinese fought back, thousands were killed regularly in horrific battles, and then the war was over.
Because of something that this one man did, like a hero of old slaying a dragon that was laying waste to the countryside.
So in China this man was viewed as a god-like mythic warrior hero who struck the fatal blow to the Japanese empire that had visited such horrific destruction on China.
In Japan he's the slaughterer of children, the pure embodiment of evil.
It's all POV.

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

Thomas Ferebee, the bombardier, may disagree with your idea that Tibbets was the 'trigger man'.

Anyways, by your definition, just about everyone who took part in WWII is guilty of mass-murder of civilians. A large amount of the war involved crushing your opponent into submission.

And "premeditated mass-murder" is quite a funny spin on the word "war".

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

Speakeasy;
I'm talking about the plan to exterminate two cities by incinerating their populations. If there is another term for it, what is it ?

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.

I hope no one sees in him a "hero", he did his job that's it, he pressed a button, and he was the wrong place at the wrong time, because after all he dropped a bomb that killed thousands and thousands of civilians...

must have been hard to live with this with him, he must have think of this all his life

anyway, his death is a non-event

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It's known as WWII, where the world went fucking insane.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

Anyone in the military that does his job honorably is a hero to me, including Gen. Tibbets.

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride!"

Ok, so if everyone is a hero, no one is a hero at the end... purely subjective... for me someone doing his job doesn't make him a hero, even he put his life in danger, he signed for this, and knew what he was up to

it's like people clapping in the plane when the plane landed... lol this is something I never understood

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Well, carrying the worlds deadliest weapon, in complete secrecy, with only one chance of success, probably wasn't in the job description when he signed up.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

Anselme;
Horseshit. He was engaged in mock Hiroshima 'stunts' in the 1970s. The government had to apologise to the Japanese, ferchrissake.

He was a fucking arsehole. Who else but an arsehole would fly the mission. Good riddance.

Speakeasy;
I appreciate, but cannot agree with, your effort to apply a poultice to the stinking wounds in America's heart which are Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The attacks went beyond the norms of warfare, as did the firebombings of Germany and Japan. They had all the hallmarks of depravity.

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.

he knew that maybe some days he will be assigned a dangerous mission, and as his duty, he wouldn't much choice than to say yes, he did his job

when you are soldier, you know that you may not do the "right thing" some time or another

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Stinking wounds in America's heart? The entire war is a stinking wound in everyone's heart.
Norms of warfare? Do you like how I'm taking a few words from your post and then putting a question mark after them? I think it's going to be my new style of posting.

Anyways, during WWII, bombings and the destruction of civilians certainly was the norms of warfare. It's despicable on retrospect, sure, but I think to paint it as 'abnormal' is a bit dishonest.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

Speakeasy;
Hundreds of thousands died in the firebombings, hundreds of thousands died in nuclear detonations. When else in history have so many been decimated by so few in such a short span ?
I think maybe you don't recognise 'normality', despite your 'new style of posting'.

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668.....the neighbour of the beast.

Yanqui, go home.