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Old 11-15-2007
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coming from someone who has never been to war, I'll take that for what it is: shit.
Fishing, Thorhammer ? Just because I despise bent bugle-boys doesn't mean that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Hey, have you noticed how the woosiest posters have the ' toughest' names ? Lol.
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Fishing, Thorhammer ? Just because I despise bent bugle-boys doesn't mean that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Hey, have you noticed how the woosiest posters have the ' toughest' names ? Lol.

Not fishing at all. It is just that your lack of experience and knowledge concerning the subject of war is very apparent in your views on how they should be fought.
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In not wanting to mass-murder hundreds of thousands of civilians I am failing in my strategy how exactly ? Lol.
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Old 11-17-2007
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Why is that then ? Are you incapable of imagining something preferable to the mass incineration of hundreds of thousands of civilians ? Twice ?
it would have been preferable for Germany and Japan not to have started the friggin thing to begin with and costing millions of lives.

if those A bombs hadnt been dropped when they were Japan would have dug in for an invasion, considering the otherwise highly admirable code of duty they had , the cost in lives of an invasion would have been in the millions and more years of fighting.
sometimes it is better to make quick clean cuts and cauterize rather than have the patient bleed out and die .
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it would have been preferable for Germany and Japan not to have started the friggin thing to begin with and costing millions of lives.
I have to assume that you have not read all that much about world wars.
Second WW is a clear and direct result of the first one.
Soviet Union was highly expansionist along with Japan before the WW officially began.

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if those A bombs hadnt been dropped when they were Japan would have dug in for an invasion, considering the otherwise highly admirable code of duty they had , the cost in lives of an invasion would have been in the millions and more years of fighting.
sometimes it is better to make quick clean cuts and cauterize rather than have the patient bleed out and die .
But. Japanese had already agreed the peace.
There is no moral high ground to strike with a new weapon when the situation where `it was needed´ had passed.
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Old 11-19-2007
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But. Japanese had already agreed the peace.
But they had not agreed to unconditional peace.
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But. Japanese had already agreed the peace.
There is no moral high ground to strike with a new weapon when the situation where `it was needed´ had passed.
No, my friend, they hadn't. It wasn't until after the bombs were dropped that the Japanese finally agreed to the Allied terms as laid out in the Potsdam Declaration.
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No, my friend, they hadn't. It wasn't until after the bombs were dropped that the Japanese finally agreed to the Allied terms as laid out in the Potsdam Declaration.
Sorry I haven't gotten a chance to reply, yet. From what I understand, one of the reason for not accepting the Potsdam Declaration was because it was not clear on what would happen to the Emperor if Japan were to surrender. The Japan wanted to keep their Emperor, but the Potsdam Declaration didn't assure this. When they finally did surrender, they kept the Emperor, anyways. It's been said that if the Potsdam Declaration were a little more clear on this, the Japanese would have surrendered much earlier than they did.

Of course, I haven't gotten a chance to find links to support this, but I know they're out there somewhere.
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Sorry I haven't gotten a chance to reply, yet. From what I understand, one of the reason for not accepting the Potsdam Declaration was because it was not clear on what would happen to the Emperor if Japan were to surrender. The Japan wanted to keep their Emperor, but the Potsdam Declaration didn't assure this. When they finally did surrender, they kept the Emperor, anyways. It's been said that if the Potsdam Declaration were a little more clear on this, the Japanese would have surrendered much earlier than they did.

Of course, I haven't gotten a chance to find links to support this, but I know they're out there somewhere.
then they should have asked, like they did after the bombs were dropped.

Either way, the Japanese Prime Minister rejected the Potsdam Declaration before the bombs were dropped. It wasn't until the Emperor intervened after the bombing that they accepted.
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Re: Hiroshima bomb pilot dies aged 92 (merger)

And in the absence of intelligent and humanitarian diplomacy, the arsehole Tebitts was sent on his way by the ghouls.
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Re: Hiroshima bomb pilot dies aged 92 (merger)

Henry Kissenger killed 10 million civilians? Man, he must have been a busy-body.
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Re: Hiroshima bomb pilot dies aged 92 (merger)

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it would have been preferable for Germany and Japan not to have started the friggin thing to begin with and costing millions of lives.

if those A bombs hadnt been dropped when they were Japan would have dug in for an invasion, considering the otherwise highly admirable code of duty they had , the cost in lives of an invasion would have been in the millions and more years of fighting.
sometimes it is better to make quick clean cuts and cauterize rather than have the patient bleed out and die .
As one sitting at Okinawa waiting to Invade Japan I wholeheartedly agree with dropping the "BOMB" (when it comes to push vs shove) I valued my hide more than theirs. OR if you don't agree "Yours Too".
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