The problem with the holocaust is how it is used for political gain. I think it is disgusting how Israel has shaken Germany down for victim 'reparations' money only to use that money to fund their military and infrastructure.

It is time for Germany to shed the guilt, stop allowing their taxpaying citizens to be robbed and tell Israel to blow chunks.

It may take a higher concentration of zyklon b to kill lice but you kill a great many more of them in a single treatment than you would humans. So again, I question that gassing is an efficient method for exterminating millions.


Nevertheless, output was maintained by looting the nations Germany invaded. The German war machine was beyond the capacity of the German economy to maintain. Germany had to invade and plunder other nations to maintain it's military.

As for total war, in what way would exterminating millions of civilians serve such a cause given that Germany was fighting a war on two fronts and was losing?

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

Then address this question first. If you have "never really delved into the idea", then you are hardly in a position to be starting a general discussion, however reasonable your tone may seem.

By the way - the evidence is overwhelming and not difficult to find.

A jerk indeed. Somehow, though, "jerk" is not quite the word I would choose. Evil would be a good word to start with. Psychotic would be a helpful word for your vocabulary. Jerk might be a word to describe an annoying friend. Hitler transcends "jerk".

Oh - and by the way - the fact that he did indeed invade many countries and killed many people should not keep you from finding about the Holocaust.

Weak in history? Before you start indulging in conspiracy theories you must address this. It appears to me you are mentally unprotected. Ignorance is not acceptable in this matter.


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Reasonable indeed. However, I find your disingenuous tone despicable.

There is a kind of militant stupidity at work here that really is not acceptable. The very notion that the Holocaust was some sort of plot by the American government is not a theory to be considered, but a poisonous fantasy to be crushed under foot.

Quite absurd. Anti-semitism and Holocaust denial are inextricably linked. Do your homework.

The Holocaust was an extraordinary outpouring of ferocious hatred and evil. The nations responsible for the Holocaust are hardly suppressing anything.

I had the opportunity to visit the Holocaust museum in Berlin last winter. It is quite a stunning experience. It is subtle in its impact, and focuses on the individual stories and lives of people and families rather than on overwhelming numbers. I would strongly encourage a person who is mentally unprotected to view such an exhibit.

Well, the Jews didn't seem to do very well by it - sorry to interfere with the sheer lunacy of your ideas.

One example: in 1939, Poland was home to about 3 million Jews. By the end of 1945, 99% of them had been murdered and an ancient community had been annihilated. 99%. Do you think the Jews did well?

Your attempt at sounding reasonable is not convincing. You see, there is a problem here: Where did all those millions of Jews go? The ones that weren't killed, according to you? They seemed to have vanished. At least no one saw them again - except their corpses. So your theory doesn't seems very sensible, does it?

Indeed?

And what is the source for this ruubish? Let me guess: the same sources that believe the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a realiable historical document?

What is that we have, exactly?

But of course you wouldn't be sympathic to the deniers, would you? What information? Try opening a book. Go to the library. Look at the web. Check out a film. The evidence out there is on a massive scale.

So knock it off with the "I'm just an innocent blob of untouched ignorance and want to consider the denial theories from an honest point of view" routine. I am not questioning your untouched ignorance. All of your comments are evidence for that. But is hardly an excuse.

There is plenty of good old-fashioned anti-semitism underneath all this chatter - and not very far underneath.

Well, you know what I think. Now scuttle off to the library. It looks like you have a LOT of work to do.

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Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
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To act in safety."

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So, ya'll are using one camp to come up with the number of jews and others murdered by the Germans?


How about adding in the other camps, people slaughtered by fire and gun in the German made Ghettos, the ones that died on the trains to the camps, the ones that were killed in the fields and forests, and the ones that were murdered in the streets. Zyclon B was indeed an insecticide. When you put hundreds of people at a time in a small room, and displace oxygen with insecticide, I would imagine that death is the outcome. Sure was effective at getting rid of lice, too, though.

Ad all these deaths up, and I'm pretty sure more than 1.5 million were "treated harshly". By the way, 1.5 million deaths do indeed create a holocaust. Shit, even 300,000 is a holocaust.

By god, let's stone the blasphemous unbeliever, eh Tim?


I'm picturing you with a condom pulled over your head and a caption that says, Tim: championing the cause of preventing the spread of brain-related STD's.


Stone the blasphemer! Stone him!



With condom snugly on head, Tim crushes the poisonous fantasies with condom-clad feet!



So is Zionism and Shoa-business.



Do they hand out head-condoms?



That's the six million dollar question, Tim.

BTW, are you asserting that six million Jewish corpses were discovered and documented?



It's a nasty world we live in, Tim. If Jews find the going too rough -- or any other group, for that matter -- maybe they should ditch their Jewishness and take up the banner of humanity instead. If religion is important enough to suffer and die for, so be it, but don't disregard the fact that there's a choice involved.

IMO, people who aren't working to eliminate hierarchies, and their attendant ordering of groups and classes, don't have a pot to piss in when it comes to complaining about harsh treatment.

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

The Scholars Debate! - Message Board - ezboard.com

A good site for Holocaust hobbyists, better than reading propaganda screeds from VNN dimwits and whatnot.

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So what are we debating here?That the numbers are skewed, the holocaust is ‘overplayed’, there was no systemic extermination prgm.?

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