Gentile experts on the so-called holocaust of the jews do not deny that some jews sufferred during WWII. They do however, flatly deny that anywhere near 6 million jews were killed by Germans during that war, and they look upon most of Hollywood's holocaust version as unproven absurdities and little more than deliberate blood libels or anti-German hate propaganda by jews who control Hollywood and the western media, in general. I hope we can discuss this issue civilly and objectively. The following is taken from The Zundelsite - Dedicated to Ernst Zundel - Prisoner of Conscience



"Holocaust Myth 101"







This English document comes in eight parts. It is the original document on which the following translations are based. It summarizes the following eight Revisionist claims, broadly sketched:

PART I - The Holocaust is useful postwar propaganda that started as a systematic, insidious campaign during World War II as one of the tactics employed by moneyed interests to rally the troops and engage the world, specifically America, in what turned out to be, essentially, a fratricidal war.



PART II - There is no proof that the Holocaust, as depicted by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the highly politicized Hollywood industry, actually occurred.



PART III - The numbers of "Holocaust" victims are irresponsibly exaggerated.



PART IV - Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination.



PART V - Not a single document has been found with Hitler's signature ordering the extermination of the Jews.



PART VI - Zyklon B was a fumigant. It wasn't a practical agent for mass murder.



PART VII - Zyklon B was highly toxic. This being so, it would have been foolish and counterproductive to endanger Third Reich personnel engaged in allegedly pulling bodies from the execution chambers shortly after they were "gassed."



PART VIII - American execution expert, Fred Leuchter, delivered a scientific break-through in proving that the so-called gas chambers at Auschwitz could not have been used for their alleged purpose."

From The Zundelsite - Dedicated to Ernst Zundel - Prisoner of Conscience. It is my hope that German Americans, those with some German ancestry, and all forum members who are interested in truth, justice, and the free exchange of ideas, and who demand to hear the other side of the holocaust story, will visit and spend some time at The Zundelsite - Dedicated to Ernst Zundel - Prisoner of Conscience studying what those gentile folks have to say on the subject, and in defense of German people the world over. At that site, click on "holocaust 101" (small letters at top of screen) and begin your studies from there. Frankly, I cannot imagine why any person carrying even one drop of German blood in their veins, would not at least demand to hear the uncensored German rebuttal to the "holocaust" story that has denigraded the entire German people so long and so extensively that it has vilified Germans to the point that the very word German has become synonamous with evil.


2. The Revisionist claim : There is no proof that the Holocaust, as depicted by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the highly politicized Hollywood industry, actually occurred.

Revisionists don't claim that Jews didn't suffer. They don't argue the fact that Jews were, in fact, unwanted in Germany, and that there was a state policy to remove them as a "parasitic people" harmful to the country.

It is absolutely true that Jews were incarcerated and often treated cruelly. They were seen as the enemy, just as in our times the "Nazis" are seen as the enemy of entrenched oligarchies.

Revisionists do claim and argue that there was no state policy that called for the "mass extermination of the Jews" or any other unwanted minorities. The Allies, independently and singly, interrogated 26,000 functionaries of the National Socialist regime immediately after Germany's defeat, all based on the same set of questions. Some people might have thought of lying for their own benefit by implicating others.

Not one German official reported knowing of such a program. They all said that the first time they heard about it was from the Allies after the war.

This really gets down to the nitty-gritty of where the story of the mass extermination came from - which is the Rudolf Hoess "confession."

The Rudolf Hoess Confession is an incredibly "incriminating" document. All evil stems from it. Here is the background story.

Rudolf Hoess, the former wartime commandant of Auschwitz "confessed" to the most incredible things during the Nuremberg Trials in this widely used and much-quoted "document." A good overview from a human interest story point of view of how that was accomplished is given in the Zundelsite Internet editorial: "Nuremberg: The Crime that Will Not Die" It is a summary worth reading.

Many Germans, at Nuremberg and elsewhere where they were made to stand trial for "war crimes." have "confessed" to brutalities under "duress" or inducements. Documents, testimony and confessions as well as affidavits presented at Nuremberg and elsewhere were frequently produced and signed after psychological and physical torture of its authors.

For proof of torture of captured Germans by the Allies, read Legions of Death, a book by Rupert Butler, an English writer, who gives a vivid description of how the wartime, one-time Concentration Camp Commandant, Rudolf Hoess, was beaten mercilessly and drugged with alcohol for several days before he signed his famous "confession" admitting to two-and-a-half million of people gassed in gas chambers in Auschwitz.

Suffice it to say here that this so-called "confession" was written in English, and that Hoess did not speak or even understand English. (2Butler, Rupert, Legions of Death, Hamlyn Paperbacks, Great Britain, 1983, pp 10-12)

Julius Streicher, to name another German official who was savagely tortured by American interrogators to extract a "confession," reported that he was beaten so badly that he lost 40% of his hearing. He was kept naked in an unheated cell and was made to drink from the latrine. Guards forced his teeth open with a stick so as to spit in his mouth. ("Streicher Opens His Case,", London Times, April 27. 1946)

This information was later expunged from the Nuremberg Trial transcripts, with the consent of the president of the Tribunal and even the "defense" lawyer.

Yet another source is the Simpson van Rhoden Commission of Enquiry into the conduct of US interrogators during the Malmedy-Dachau trials. This commission reported mistreatment and tortures, including mock trials, the administering of fake confessions by equally fake "priests," beatings, hoodings etc. to get forced confessions out of prisoners. (The Progressive, written by Judge Edward L. Van Rhoden in February of 1949 entitled American Atrocities in Germany)

Here is a sample of how such "confessions" were routinely obtained:

"American investigators at the U.S. Court in Dachau, Germany, used the following methods to obtain confessions:

Beatings and brutal kickings. Knocking out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials. Solitary confinement. Posturing as priests. Very limited rations. Spiritual deprivation. Promises of acquittal (ed. expl: if the victim implicated fellow prisoners to corroborate the Allied trial scenarios) . . . All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair." (Did Six Million Really Die? Report of the Evidence in the Canadian "False News" Trial of Ernst Zündel - 1988, Edited by Barbara Kulaszka, pp 44-45)

U.S. Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone, referring to the Nuremberg trials and speaking of the American Chief Prosecutor, Jackson, had this to say, as quoted in a Viking Press hard cover, "Harlan Fiske Stone: Pillar of the Law:"

"Jackson is away conducting his high grade lynching party in Nuremberg," he remarked. "I don't mind what he does to the Nazis, but I hate to see the pretense that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law.

This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas." (Mason, Thomas, Harlan Fiske Stone: Pillar of the Law, Alpheus The Viking Press, page 746)

An accusation does not make a fact. A headline does not make a fact. A tortured prisoner making a "confession" cannot make his words a fact.

Here is another good example of a "well-documented" crime:

The Germans were accused at Nuremberg of having killed 15,000 Polish officers and members of the Polish elite at Katyn. Seven German military officers and soldiers were executed by the Soviets after a trial in which more than 4,000 (!) sworn affidavits and dozens of "experts" and "witnesses" were proffered by the Stalinist prosecutors.

In 1989, Soviet leader Gorbachev admitted publicly that the Stalin regime was responsible for these mass murders of the Poles. Not the Germans. America's ally - Joseph Stalin! - had ordered the killings!

So if Judge Thomas T. Johnson of the California Superior Court, and Judge Thomas of the Toronto District Court took smug "Judicial Notice" of the Holocaust, they based it on "readily available" documentation tortured and coerced out of the victims of Allied torture masters.

What kind of "documented evidence" is that? It would not be permissible in any U.S. or Canadian Court.

In Nuremberg and in many subsequent trials against so-called "Nazi war crimes" these methods were routinely accepted and "acceptable" as a matter of policy and "the rules."

From The Zundelsite - Dedicated to Ernst Zundel - Prisoner of Conscience. This section tears to shreds the lie that 6 million jews were killed by Germans during WWII. 6 decades of lies is enough. Germans have paid hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel and the jews for nothing but Hollywood lies and anti-German hate propaganda that has formented race hatred for every German of every age everywhere in the world. Even young Germans hate themselves, their parents, their forefathers and their country and history, because it is a criminal offense in Germany for any German to even question or deny the jewish holocaust lies.


3. The Revisionist claim: The numbers of "Holocaust" victims are irresponsibly exaggerated.
The numbers game of alleged Jewish losses is indeed a vexing one. Many, many people of all nationalities disappeared or perished in the war and cannot be accounted for. Some lie in the ashes of Allied bombings of German cities and buried beneath collapsed buildings; others were incinerated in bomb-caused Allied firestorms; still others perished in the Russian Gulags long after the shooting had stopped.

It is unfair and incorrect to claim - as is routinely claimed - that if a person cannot be accounted for, he or she perished due to genocide - or, worse yet, due to gassings.

In fact, the "Holocaust" is the best example of ". . . death proved by the stories of million of survivors."

Does that not make you think?

The media is full of "survivor" organizations existing in every major city of the Western World - from Toronto to Johannesburg; from Rio de Janeiro to Los Angeles.

Suffice it to say that the Germans have paid over 4,300,000 pension and restitution claims; 40% of those recipients live (or lived) in Israel. Others are of Jewish background but have chosen to live in other parts of the world.

If so many millions of Jewish people died at the hands of the Germans, why are there so many survivors?

Aficionados of the "Holocaust" have often called Jacob Robinson a "historian" and "internationalist jurist" and referred to him as a prime source of authoritative information on what happened to the Jews.

Jacob Robinson was, in fact, a cunning East European Jewish shyster with a diabolical plan and agenda. He was the inventor/creator of the "revolutionary concept" of the idea of the Nuremberg Trial for Germany's leaders and the German Reparations scheme.

According to Nahum Goldman, former President of the World Jewish Congress,

". . . Apart from my encounter with the survivors of the concentration camps after the liberation, I only returned officially to Germany in order to meet Chancellor Adenauer and open negotiations about reparations. These reparations constitute an extraordinary innovation in terms of international law.

Until then, when a country lost a war, it paid damages to the victor, but it was a matter between states, between governments. Now for the first time a nation was to give reparations either to ordinary individuals or to Israel, which did not legally exist at the time of Hitler's crimes. All the same, I must admit that the idea did not come from me.

During the war the WJC (World Jewish Congress) had created an Institute of Jewish Affairs in New York (its headquarters are now in London). The directors were two great Lithuanian Jewish jurists, Jacob and Nehemiah Robinson. Thanks to them, the Institute worked out two completely revolutionary ideas: the Nuremberg tribunal and German reparations. (Goldman, Nahum, The Jewish Paradox, Grosset & Dunlap, 1978, p 122)

Put two and two together.

Reparation claims are based on number of victims - somewhat like an insurance claim after a plane crash and a subsequent fire. It pays to keep these numbers high. No mystery to that.

Now visualize an insurance company that has to pay for a fire in which, supposedly, some family members perished. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that if the insurance company is prevented from checking vital documents, such as: ". . . who was actually booked on that plane. . . ? - a non-existent "victim" uncle or aunt could conceivably materialize, defrauding the insurance company. These things are known to have been done to some insurance companies.

To trot out the old canard of the "Protocol of Wannsee" (of Jan. 20, 1942) allegedly outlining the Nazi plans to "annihilate the European Jews" shows real chutzpah. Even the Jewish Holocaust expert Yehuda Bauer of Hebrew University in Jerusalem has said that Wannsee was a meeting, but "hardly a conference," and that ". . . little of what was said there was executed in detail."

Here is the quote in full, under the title: Wannsee's importance rejected, in the Canadian Jewish News, Jan. 30, 1992:

"The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at. Wannsee was but a stage in the unfolding of the process of mass murder." (Canadian Jewish News, Jan. 30, 1992)

According to the New York Times, November 12, 1989, (Bauer) added when chided saying that he would not want to ". . . add grist for the mills of the deniers of the Holocaust: "They can add, you know. . ." (Auschwutz Revisionism: An Israeli Scholar's Case, NYT, Nov 12, 1989)

They did, and they do.

By doing so, they "shrunk the Holocaust." Let us take Auschwitz, for example. According to a December 10, 1995 summary prepared by Dr. Faurisson, here is a telling visual:



(In this graph, the tallest bar represents 9 million persons, and the smallest bar represents 630,000 - 710,000, of whom 470,000 - 550,000 were believed to have been Jews. (For the actual and detailed verification of both numbers and sources, go to Dr. Faurisson's textual document, marked Appendix A)

The ever-shrinking numbers of Auschwitz "victims" should give skeptical people - people who apply common sense to this topic - pause to ponder. Yehuda Bauer, Jewish Holocaust scholar, admitted the falsity of the 4 million figure in a November 1989 article, where he comments on the cruel manipulation of the numbers of victims in Auschwitz by Zionists and Communist propagandists and liars alike. (Auschwitz Revisionism: An Israeli Scholar's Case. NYT, November 12, 1989.)

Let's mention the Red Cross here as well. This so-called "humanitarian" organization has much to do with the fact that the numbers are so unreliable.

The Red Cross played an ignoble role during and especially after the war when dealing with alleged "Nazi atrocity" stories and statistics. (See sworn testimony of Charles Biederman during the Zündel Trial. Did Six Million Really Die? Report of the Ev idence in the Canadian "False News" Trial of Ernst Zündel - 1988, Edited by Barbara Kulaszka, pp 80-84. It is worth reading in its entirety.)

Below I am merely offering two excerpts of this testimony, as summarized in the Zündel Transcripts by Barbara Kulaszka in her book: "Did Six Million Really Die?":

"Access to the documents was limited by the Bonn Agreements of 1955 to former persecutees and their legal successors on the grounds that the documents were all person-related and therefore not open to the public. (11-2497, 2498). The wording used in the Bonn Agreement was that the archives were "only to be evaluated in the interests of the former persecutees themselves or their successors." (12-2676). The only exception to this rule, as provided for under the agreements, was that representatives of any of the ten Allied governments of the supervisory body had the right to inspect the documents. (11-2497) Any application by one of the ten governments for access was reviewed by the Director of the ITS (Internal Tracing System); if the Director felt it was not justified, he could submit the application to the International Commission for the final decision. He could not remember any request by Israel being denied. (12-2711)"

In other words, Israel can look at the data, but German researchers and historians cannot. Revisionists cannot. Ernst Zündel cannot. Mr. Wiesenthal, presumably, can.

The Kulaszka trial transcript summary goes on to say:

Biedermann confirmed that as of December 31, 1983, the total number of deaths registered with the Special Registry Office and various other registry offices was 373,468. (11-2515) This figure represented death certificates issued pursuant to received applications and was based, with respect to the Special Registry Office, on camp records kept by the Nazis during the war. (11-2516, 2517)

Biedermann agreed that at an international conference held by the International Committee of the Camps in Vienna in 1977, the then director of the ITS, Albert de Cocatrix, gave a speech which indicated that as of December 31, 1976 a total of 357,190 names of persons who died in concentration camps had been registered at the Special Registry Office. Biedermann confirmed that these numbers actually came from the ITS. (12-2640 to 2646) He pointed out, however, that these figures resulted from applications. If an entire family had died, there was no one to make an application for a death certificate. Secondly, the ITS had complete documentation for only two of the twenty-two concentration camps. For the remainder, it had either partial or no documentation. Therefore, if an application was made for a person who had allegedly died in one of these camps, the ITS would not have the records to justify a request to the Special Registry Office for a death certificate. (12-2647)

It is really ridiculously simple. The numbers game on which the reparations claims are based could be laid to rest tomorrow.

The Red Cross via its International Tracing Service in Arolson, headed by Red Cross delegate, Charles Biedermann, has important information on hand of every concentration camp inmate who ever went through a German prisoner-of-war or civilian concentration camp. These 14 million pieces of information could, with today's computer technology, OCR software etc. be sifted, categorized, analyzed and double-checked. In a very short time, this information could be made available to the public, which would put an effective end to all the abuse, misinterpretation, fudging and falsifying of alleged and real numbers of "Nazi victims."

The German Government can and should have checked the inmates' records 50 years ago. Why is this not being done? A good guess is that then it would have been revealed for all the world to see that false reparations claims were made and billions were paid and have been fraudulently collected for a long time.

There are letters by the Arolson Tracing Service which at least give a partial glimpse at what is available in those archives there. The Red Cross, by accepting the currently worded 10-nation agreement or mandate with which it administers this macabre but important legacy of WW II, has become a willing accomplice in obfuscating research and is, in fact, hiding historical facts.

I am on record saying that the Red Cross is deliberately stone-walling an honest investigation into one of the saddest chapters in human history. If the Red Cross does not like this justified criticism, let them get out of the business of hiding the truth from the public looking for answers.

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Relocated to appropriate section.

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My mistake, drgoodtrips. Thanks.

Frankly, I cannot imagine why any enlightened person would blame the Holocaust on the Germans. It was a product of the National Socialists, a political party.

Only some stupid people, who believe that individuals may be judged by their ethnicity, would judge the German people or any individual German for what a few Germans (along with some non-Germans) did during the Nazi regime in Germany.

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Denying something happened doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Attempting to rewrite history doesn't change history.

Convince YOURSELF with untruths written by crazymen and women that history isn't true. Don't be too upset when most people lose interest in these kinds of messages you bring.

They aren't based in truth or reality at all. They're based on a twisted idealogy trying to manipulate facts, events and statistics to bend a few more minds.

Only interesting because it's a little creepy.

Creepy can be cool, entertaining and funny, but it's not reality at all.

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Ha. If the holocaust was all that proveable or undeniable, then why the hell do they put Germans in prison by the thousands for discussing the possibility that it didn't happen ?? And why do the jews refuse to debate the holocaust with gentile revisionists ?? And why does the entire media refuse to present the revisionists' rebuttals, much less allow revisionists air time in which to present their case before the people in fair and equal debate ?? Hmmmmm ??

Hell man, you believe something that's against the law to deny and by law, undebateable. Do you therefore, believe your position is sane ??

But yet, your own excuse is words like: "creepy", "crazy men" and "twisted" to describe those who seek honest debate and free, impartial investigation.

What the hell kind of democratic, free-speech logic is that ??

The German people are on their knees emotionally and collectively on account of decades of holocaust attrocity propaganda spewed out by Hollywood and the entire jewsmedia establishment, which has formented hate thru out the world against the whole of the German people.

Germany has been forced to accept a gigantic memorial to the "holocaust" in their nation's capital, to remind German children and people every day that their fathers are evil, murderous, sadistic beasts.

Occupied conquered Germany has been blackmailed by jewish "survivors" and Israel whose blackmail was enforced by the U.S., Britain and France, to pay hundreds of billions to jews, not to even mention life long pensions for so-called "holocaust" survivors. Blackmail money that is still, 62 years after Germany's defeat, being sucked out of the Germany people, the vast majority of whom weren't even born when WWII ended.

Because of jewsmedia, anti-German hate propaganda, the very word "German" has become synonamous with evil, in every country on earth.

Therefore, it does not matter if a few gentiles do not blame German youth, because German youth is paying, and will continue to pay the blackmail price in both money and in self-respect and respect for their own people, history, culture, and forefathers so long as they live, and so long as Israel and the JOGs do.

Let's unite and organize and throw off the chains of jewish bondage from the necks of all our people, including Germans.

Sieg Heil !!!

Do you move 9/11 conspiracy theories to Historical Discourse too ?
This is blatant anti-semitic bullshit, not historical research.

This reminds me of the family guy episode where that dog and the kid with the weird head go travel to Europe, and when they are in Germany they ask their tour guide in Münich "what happened between 1940 and 1945" and he answers "they were all on vacation".

I don't see anything "anti-semitic" with researching the Holocaust to determine the accuracy of the numbers.

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From now on. Become a slave of the new, coming rulers of humanity. None of this other bullshit will matter in the days to come.

Good find, Slon. Here's one "interesting" quote from your news link:

"One Pentagon lawyer has argued that they (video tapes) should not be released because they would only add to the humiliation of the prisoners." (unquote)

How's that for a kike-alike spin ??

As for "researching the holocaust", revisionists have been researching the "holocaust" for decades and the results of their research are provided at The Zundelsite - Dedicated to Ernst Zundel - Prisoner of Conscience and at many other pro-white websites. Google Institute for Historical Review, for more "tons" of research results.

However, discussing the research results in public, is illegal in most European countries and in Canada and Australia. 15,000 were prosecuted in Germany alone, in 2006. In America, discussing research results, is punished by the howling jewsmedia which demonizes those who discuss it, gets them fired from their jobs, and ruins them financially. Unless of course, their discussings are jewish approved/politically correct.

What's so goddamned incredibly demoralizing in America, is that the 62 million German-Americans don't give a shit about even hearing the revisionists research findings, much less stand up and defend their own German heritage from jewish, anti-German attrocity propaganda lies. Un-freakin-believeable !!!

The Zundelsite - Dedicated to Ernst Zundel - Prisoner of Conscience

Does anybody care to translate the above jibberish ??