The Irish Famine Of The 1840's: A Sinister Fraud!!! - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

picaro · #1 (**permalink**) 01-06-2008

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With Americans of even partial Irish ancestry numbering at least 50 million in the U.S. alone, it is hardly surprising that so many whites, anxious to keep up with the Joneses, play up Irish branches of their family trees and cite the Great Hunger of the 1840s as their answer to the Holocaust. In fact, some rabid North Americans of Irish ancestry now claim that the British deliberately created and maintained economic conditions that allowed the Great Hunger to go unchecked. Pity these poor souls. If they but knew the truth, they would renounce their (often meager) Hibernian roots in horror.

The truth is that the Irish potato famine was, in fact, an elaborate hoax, perpetrated by the shadowy puppet masters of Ireland to lull an unsuspecting world into quietly acquiescing to their sinister plans. These sinister plans are revealed in full in the Protocols of the Elders of Eire, an online version of which is coming soon to this site. In this essay, however, we shall focus exclusively on only one hideous prong of their attack on the non-Celtic world.*

First, let us examine the facts, which, in the case of the alleged potato famine, defy all logic and common sense. We are told that the entire agricultural crop of Ireland was devastated by a single fungus – the phytophthora infestans. However, revisionist research has revealed that this fungus strikes only potatoes, and only certain types of potatoes at that. Are we expected to believe that no one in Ireland was growing anything other than those specific strains of potato that succumb to the phytophthora infestans? When one examines the evidence, one finds that this is not the case. In fact, throughout the period of the alleged famine, Ireland continued to export crops of various kinds.(!) Why would they export food while they themselves were starving?

Now let’s look at the numbers. As with the Holocaust, no one can seem to agree on the matter of how many people actually died in this so-called famine. This was the discrepency that first started me on the road to potato revisionism. It has become a matter almost of religious faith that the number of victims was in the order of about 1.5 million. However, estimates have been known to vary wildly. Several years ago, I read an article in the New York Times that discussed the number of people who actually died, from all causes, during the Irish Famine of the 1840s. I read about how the number was now estimated to be about 500,000. Tears of joy ran down my face as I sat back and put my feet on the desk. How happy I felt for the Irish people of the world. What a great time to rejoice. But guess what? There were no parties or TV specials. No newspaper reports. The media continued to repeat the 1.5 million number and still do.

When asked how they manage to arrive at such wildly varying estimates, the best that historians can do is to refer to “demographic statistics”. The implication being, of course, that if population analysis shows a certain number of people unaccounted for, it automatically follows that they starved to death! The hole in this argument should be apparent.

The Mad Revisionist - The Irish Potato Hoax

I find the complete media blackout of this discovery highly disturbing.

picaro · #2 (**permalink**) 01-06-2008

Who could be behind this hoax??? Well, as usual, one needs only to follow the money, eh?

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[In our next installment: Bronfmans and Kennedys, Rothschilds and Guinnesses (oh my!): The ZOG-HOG Connection]

* NOTE: It is actually erroneous to refer to the Irish as Celts, though we do so because our readers may not be aware of the distinction. Although the Irish may have some Celtic blood in them, their island was beset by the same waves of invasion as England was. Therefore, they are just as much Saxon, Viking, or Normand as they are Celt. Consequently, their claim on Northern Ireland is as ludicrous as Norway or Normandy laying claim to it. However, it is also a fact, suppressed from our schools and from the controlled media, that the Celts migrated from as far as Eastern Europe, and possibly into the steppes of Russia. Therefore, there can be no more doubt: revisionist research has proved conclusively that the true Celts are in fact EAST EUROPEAN JEWS!

Same link as above.

WarOnIgnorance · #3 (**permalink**) 01-06-2008

I understand and sympathize with what you're doing here, but I don't think it's the right approach. Such tongue in cheeks threads will only further the decline of Historical Discourse. And if the topic you chose wasn't random, you're making the issue inappropriately personal.

This whole issue isn't new :
New Forum Idea: 9/11 Conspiracies

Anti-Semite Forum

Such a subforum is what we need and it does have support from old time members and even some moderators. A constructive approach to the issue would be starting a thread on it here:
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/sugg...as-new-forums/

skeptic1 · #4 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008

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Originally Posted by picaro

The Mad Revisionist - The Irish Potato Hoax

I find the complete media blackout of this discovery highly disturbing.

From another view:

ABOUT THE CONTENTS
These units follow the Teacher and Student Summary:

I. LAWS THAT ISOLATED AND IMPOVERISHED THE IRISH: This section shows how the Penal Laws, and the Statutes of Kilkenny, reduced the Irish to the status of disenfranchised non-persons in their own country, and it examines how "laissez faire" and repression of trade laws laid the groundwork for the Famine to take place.

II. RACISM: This section provides numerous examples and cartoon illustrations showing how the Irish, as well as Africans and others, were made into racist stereotypes.

III. MASS EVICTION DURING FAMINE: This sections shows the extent to which eviction was employed during the Famine, the reasons why it was employed, and its devastating consequences for the suffering people.

IV. MORTALITY RATES AND "THE HORROR": This sections shows death rates in relation to Ireland's population at the time of the Famine, and gives personal accounts of Famine scenes to help put a human face on the tragedy.

V. EMIGRATION: DEPARTURE, CROSSING, AND ARRIVAL: This section describes the conditions faced by the famine-stricken people at disembarkation centers, on board "coffin ships" and at quarantine stations.

VI. GENOCIDE: This section gathers together several definitions of genocide, as well as statements made by historical figures and historians, and asks the students to relate facts, opinions and definitions.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++

EARLY IRELAND

Human habitation in Ireland dates from the mesolithic (middle stone age) period, approximately 7,000 years B.C. The people are assumed to have been hunter-gatherers and fishermen. They showed great reverence for the dead, and left behind stone tombs like Newgrange, outside Dublin. About 3,500 years B.C., in the neolithic, or late stone age, Irish farmers cleared land, used stone tools, planted crops and kept sheep and cattle.(1.)

THE CELTS
The Celts began arriving from Europe as early as the 6th century B.C. They brought with them the iron-age culture. Celtic Ireland was divided into 150 little kingdoms, and five provinces, four surviving to today: Ulster, Munster, Leinster & Connacht. The extended family was the social unit and there were no towns. The Irish Celts spoke the Irish language, believed in druidism, and obeyed the laws interpreted by early lawyers called brehons.(2.)

THE REFORMATION
In the 1530s England's King Henry began the process of breaking with the Catholic Church of Rome. This split led to the eventual foundation of the Church of England. The Reformation divided the Irish, who remained Catholic, from the English, who became Protestants. In 1601, at the battle of Kinsale, the Irish armies and their Spanish allies were defeated. For the first time all Ireland was governed by a strong English central administration based in Dublin.

THE PLANTATION
Another English policy to subdue Ireland was the colonization of Ulster with new settlers, mostly Scottish Presbyterians and English Protestants. This system of colonization was known as "a planting". The native Irish were driven off almost 500,000 acres of the best land in counties Tyrone, Donegal, Derry, Armagh and Cavan. The property was then consolidated and colonizers were 'planted' on large estates. (6.)

PENAL LAWS
In the 1690s the Penal Laws, designed to repress the native Irish were introduced. The first ordered that no Catholic could have a gun, pistol, or sword. Over the next 30 years the other Penal laws followed: Irish Catholics were forbidden to receive an education, enter a profession, vote, hold public office, practice their religion, attend Catholic worship, engage in trade or commerce, purchase land, lease land, receive a gift of land or inherit land from a Protestant, rent land worth more than thirty shillings a year, own a horse of greater value than five pounds, be the guardian to a child, educate their own children or send a child abroad to receive an education.

When one calls the great Irish famine and struggle a Hoax I believe a bending of the rules shpuld be allowed !

The ecidence in part is displayed. should anything to the contrary be know pleas post it !

Tim · #5 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008

What is this?

Why is it here?

I am thoroughly confused.

drgoodtrips · #6 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008

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Originally Posted by skeptic1

From another view:

ABOUT THE CONTENTS
These units follow the Teacher and Student Summary:

I. LAWS THAT ISOLATED AND IMPOVERISHED THE IRISH: This section shows how the Penal Laws, and the Statutes of Kilkenny, reduced the Irish to the status of disenfranchised non-persons in their own country, and it examines how "laissez faire" and repression of trade laws laid the groundwork for the Famine to take place.

II. RACISM: This section provides numerous examples and cartoon illustrations showing how the Irish, as well as Africans and others, were made into racist stereotypes.

III. MASS EVICTION DURING FAMINE: This sections shows the extent to which eviction was employed during the Famine, the reasons why it was employed, and its devastating consequences for the suffering people.

IV. MORTALITY RATES AND "THE HORROR": This sections shows death rates in relation to Ireland's population at the time of the Famine, and gives personal accounts of Famine scenes to help put a human face on the tragedy.

V. EMIGRATION: DEPARTURE, CROSSING, AND ARRIVAL: This section describes the conditions faced by the famine-stricken people at disembarkation centers, on board "coffin ships" and at quarantine stations.

VI. GENOCIDE: This section gathers together several definitions of genocide, as well as statements made by historical figures and historians, and asks the students to relate facts, opinions and definitions.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++

EARLY IRELAND

Human habitation in Ireland dates from the mesolithic (middle stone age) period, approximately 7,000 years B.C. The people are assumed to have been hunter-gatherers and fishermen. They showed great reverence for the dead, and left behind stone tombs like Newgrange, outside Dublin. About 3,500 years B.C., in the neolithic, or late stone age, Irish farmers cleared land, used stone tools, planted crops and kept sheep and cattle.(1.)

THE CELTS
The Celts began arriving from Europe as early as the 6th century B.C. They brought with them the iron-age culture. Celtic Ireland was divided into 150 little kingdoms, and five provinces, four surviving to today: Ulster, Munster, Leinster & Connacht. The extended family was the social unit and there were no towns. The Irish Celts spoke the Irish language, believed in druidism, and obeyed the laws interpreted by early lawyers called brehons.(2.)

THE REFORMATION
In the 1530s England's King Henry began the process of breaking with the Catholic Church of Rome. This split led to the eventual foundation of the Church of England. The Reformation divided the Irish, who remained Catholic, from the English, who became Protestants. In 1601, at the battle of Kinsale, the Irish armies and their Spanish allies were defeated. For the first time all Ireland was governed by a strong English central administration based in Dublin.

THE PLANTATION
Another English policy to subdue Ireland was the colonization of Ulster with new settlers, mostly Scottish Presbyterians and English Protestants. This system of colonization was known as "a planting". The native Irish were driven off almost 500,000 acres of the best land in counties Tyrone, Donegal, Derry, Armagh and Cavan. The property was then consolidated and colonizers were 'planted' on large estates. (6.)

PENAL LAWS
In the 1690s the Penal Laws, designed to repress the native Irish were introduced. The first ordered that no Catholic could have a gun, pistol, or sword. Over the next 30 years the other Penal laws followed: Irish Catholics were forbidden to receive an education, enter a profession, vote, hold public office, practice their religion, attend Catholic worship, engage in trade or commerce, purchase land, lease land, receive a gift of land or inherit land from a Protestant, rent land worth more than thirty shillings a year, own a horse of greater value than five pounds, be the guardian to a child, educate their own children or send a child abroad to receive an education.

When one calls the great Irish famine and struggle a Hoax I believe a bending of the rules shpuld be allowed !

The ecidence in part is displayed. should anything to the contrary be know pleas post it !

Uh, dude...

The Mad Revisionist - revisionism revisited

Take a look at their website.

O'Sullivan Bere · #7 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008

To me this is a tongue-in-cheek shot at the kinds of common arguments made by Holocaust deniers. It's like what I see in 'the Onion.' If it were sincere, the straight jacket would be the only remedy.

This guy ought to be introduced to wrxsti. The 'Protocols of the Elders of Eire' was cute.

Tim · #8 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008

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Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

To me this is a tongue-in-cheek shot at the kinds of common arguments made by Holocaust deniers. It's like what I see in 'the Onion.' If it were sincere, the straight jacket would be the only remedy.

This guy ought to be introduced to wrxsti. The 'Protocols of the Elders of Eire' was cute.

That's all very well....

But I will ask again - what is this doing here?

O'Sullivan Bere · #9 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Tim

That's all very well....

But I will ask again - what is this doing here?

Where else should it be put? It isn't fit for the rubbish bin given it apparently has valid satirical value for a politics board for rebutting arguments.

We don't have a Holocaust section and I don't think we need one. The topic can fit in this general section and other ones where the aspect being discussed is appropriate for that section.

Doubtlessly, anti-Jewish and/or agenda oriented Holocaust denial/minimisation exists in historical discourse, and at times even appears in threads and posts here on occasion by pedlars of it. That topic does get discussed in this forum.

To me, this is the OP's way of calling BS on the misuse of historical data and the intentional fabrication and citation of references to distort the Holocaust and any other event for that matter. It fits, and makes its point in historical discourse.

skeptic1 · #10 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008

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Ireland continued to export crops of various kinds.(!) Why would they export food while they themselves were starving?

Because they had complete conrol of Ireland and raped the country as they did all of theier colonies.

42 Regular · #11 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008

I once saw an old 18th or 19th century News paper political cartoon with a bunch of British Lords sitting at a table piled high with food and a servant bringing in a tray with a cooked baby with an apple in its mouth. The Caption read "English Lords eat Irish Babies".

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Jonathan Swift uses satire as a potent weapon to attack governmental injustices and political abuse. In his brilliant essay, A Modest Proposal, Swift projects an expeditious way of addressing Irish poverty by eating Irish babies. In a less trenchant style, Swift attacks English politics and the idiosyncrasies of the people in Gulliver's Travels

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In another famous print, "Gin Lane and Beer Street," Hogarth exaggerates the danger of people switching from beer, considered healthy, to gin, which was looked down upon as a drink for drunkards. The print presents two scenes. The first one, "Gin Lane," shows a town gone to ruins. Garbage is thrown from the windows, a cart of is overflowing with the dead, and men fight in the background. In the foreground, a mother takes some snuff, while ignoring her infant, who is falling off of her lap. Vagrant children wrestle with a dog for the last bit of meat on a discarded bone. In the distance, a cook is preparing a feast of baby, a shocking idea reminiscent of A Modest Proposal. In the "Beer Street" scene, things are much happier. An artist paints a sign in the village square. The pawnbroker's shop, without its business, has gone to ruins. In front of it, merchants are hard at work, enjoying a thriving economy. In the background, the finishing touches are put on a brand new building. Everyone is working, everyone is healthy, and everyone is happy (William Hogarth's Realm).

Literature Essays Literary Criticism - Literature - Satire, Enlightened Wit in the Age of Reason

I've read that it wasn't the fact that the Irish themselves ate a lot of potatoes but rather that potatoes were the major animal feed in those days.
When they ran out of potatoes raising all livestock became almost impossible. No milk or butter, no meat ,etc.

Hafke · #12 (**permalink**) 03-03-2008

I've read that it wasn't the fact that the Irish themselves ate a lot of potatoes but rather that potatoes were the major animal feed in those days.
When they ran out of potatoes raising all livestock became almost impossible. No milk or butter, no meat ,etc.[/quote]

Nope, the average Irish person in the poorest quarter of society (the part worst affected by the Famine) ate a diet almost exclusively made up of potatoes. They're actually quite nutritious.

Richyrich03867 · #13 (**permalink**) 03-07-2008

I have "Angela's Ashes" on my nighstand. Every time I pick up that damned book I get hungry as hell after reading a page or two.

picaro · #14 (**permalink**) 03-10-2008

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To me, this is the OP's way of calling BS on the misuse of historical data and the intentional fabrication and citation of references to distort the Holocaust and any other event for that matter.

Yes, it was a sort of protest against allowing the History Forum to be spammed with Holocaust Denial gibberish. Such stuff belongs in forums for UFO sightings, ghost stories, astrology, etc. Allowing it here gives it a 'credibility' it doesn't deserve, IMO.

But, I see there is only one main thread on it, and not being a frequent poster here anyway, my opinion doesn't really matter; I've seen this type of 'tolerance' completely ruin other forums, and since I like this forum I did not want to see it become another trash dump.

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It fits, and makes its point in historical discourse.

I agree; if neo-Nazi Holocaust Denial counts as 'legitimate historical discourse', then why not the history of alien Reptilian Shapeshifters on planet Earth, or the great Potato Famine Hoax ..,

skeptic1 · #15 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by picaro

Yes, it was a sort of protest against allowing the History Forum to be spammed with Holocaust Denial gibberish. Such stuff belongs in forums for UFO sightings, ghost stories, astrology, etc. Allowing it here gives it a 'credibility' it doesn't deserve, IMO.

But, I see there is only one main thread on it, and not being a frequent poster here anyway, my opinion doesn't really matter; I've seen this type of 'tolerance' completely ruin other forums, and since I like this forum I did not want to see it become another trash dump.

I agree; if neo-Nazi Holocaust Denial counts as 'legitimate historical discourse', then why not the history of alien Reptilian Shapeshifters on planet Earth, or the great Potato Famine Hoax ..,

Read the great Irish Famine you term "the great Potato Famine Hoax" ?

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