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Old 05-02-2008
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Re: The White New World Slaves

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Not quite.... if you are talking about roman mauretania, egypt i.e. the coast, perhaps, but thats not what we are referring to. I.e. Nigeria, Cameroon the gulf of guniea , central africa...etc. Those were the primary lanes or routes of the slave trade as we were concernend.
Yes. There are periods of colonialism and that is the one that is relevant to this thread.

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Re: The White New World Slaves

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I've always felt it was tragic that history almost always ignores this horrendous experience shared with black slave history.

Hundreds of thousands of whites, mostly Irish but some others like Scots Highlanders, were actually enslaved by the English and sent to their New World colonies during the 1600s-1700s. They were not indentured servants, but slaves.

They were usually hated and abused more than the black slaves due to ethnic and religious bigotry against them and because black slaves were more expensive to purchase. Both torturing and killing them was lawful, with common punishments being things like hanging them and then setting their limbs on fire in gruesome spectacles.

They had far more difficulty adjusting to the climate than African slaves did. This fact, coupled with more abuse of them due to hatred of them and their cheaper value, resulted in killing them off regularly in mass numbers.

Using the women as sex slaves was popular, however, and breeding the white slaves with black ones was very lucrative given a high premium could be had for mulatto women on sex appeal. The British eventually banned the practice because it was interfering with the profitability of the Royal African Company, the slave trade corporation.

This researcher did a great job detailing the history IMO:

Caomhánach - Article - Irish slaves in the Caribbean

It's an extremely easy, quick, highly educational and bone-chilling read, a sad tale from start all the way through the finish.

Yet, the events of white slavery in the Americas almost never gets any mention in history books, never mind in any detail. That's sad--it shouldn't be the case.

Does this mean I can demand reparations too?~
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Re: The White New World Slaves

I disagree that the only reason its not talked as much is because the Irish didn't play the victim card, oh I'm sure that's part of it, but only a small part. After all, you have to consider that this was considered normal and acceptable behavior at the time. It wasn't till the 1800's that slavery was called into question in America or England. By the end of the Irish slave trade the more successful African slave trade had pretty much drowned out the injustice at least in the Americas. As for declaring justice from the UK, not likely as Ireland and England have had anything but a peaceful history after the slave trade came to an end (I know, I know, a bit of a understatement).

In the US on the other hand, you have this very organized, and very clearly defined group of people which are easy to distinguish from the rest of the population. Its like when the United States rounded up all the Japanese on the west coast during WWII, while many German-Americans were left alone simply because they looked American. Does that mean German-Americans weren't mistreated, doubtful, but its easier to see these injustices for what they are when they are more clearly defined by race.
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Re: The White New World Slaves

And some of those Irish were exiled to the continent, where some of them did pretty pretty good.
One of the great wines of France (a first growth Bordeaux since 1855) is Haut-Brion (french spelling of O'Brien).
Not bad if you have a couple of hundred to spend on a bottle of wine.
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Re: The White New World Slaves

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And some of those Irish were exiled to the continent, where some of them did pretty pretty good.
One of the great wines of France (a first growth Bordeaux since 1855) is Haut-Brion (french spelling of O'Brien).
Not bad if you have a couple of hundred to spend on a bottle of wine.
And Hennessy cognac is another example.
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Re: The White New World Slaves

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I've always felt it was tragic that history almost always ignores this horrendous experience shared with black slave history.

Hundreds of thousands of whites, mostly Irish but some others like Scots Highlanders, were actually enslaved by the English and sent to their New World colonies during the 1600s-1700s. They were not indentured servants, but slaves.

They were usually hated and abused more than the black slaves due to ethnic and religious bigotry against them and because black slaves were more expensive to purchase. Both torturing and killing them was lawful, with common punishments being things like hanging them and then setting their limbs on fire in gruesome spectacles.

They had far more difficulty adjusting to the climate than African slaves did. This fact, coupled with more abuse of them due to hatred of them and their cheaper value, resulted in killing them off regularly in mass numbers.

Using the women as sex slaves was popular, however, and breeding the white slaves with black ones was very lucrative given a high premium could be had for mulatto women on sex appeal. The British eventually banned the practice because it was interfering with the profitability of the Royal African Company, the slave trade corporation.

This researcher did a great job detailing the history IMO:

Caomhánach - Article - Irish slaves in the Caribbean

It's an extremely easy, quick, highly educational and bone-chilling read, a sad tale from start all the way through the finish.

Yet, the events of white slavery in the Americas almost never gets any mention in history books, never mind in any detail. That's sad--it shouldn't be the case.
I'm Sicilian, yea...Do you see me bitch about my peoples treatment by Italy, Arabs or Africans (moores).

It's fucked up today that even though slavery goes on still, these dumb liberals act like the worst type of slavery was black slavery.

IMO, I dont think Americans care much about anyone but them selfs.

Atleast I know my history, culture. Why any of you think Sicilians flooded the US 90-100 years ago? We were sick of Italy treating us like bitches. Even today Italians dont like Sicilians. How do you think the Mob was started?
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Re: The White New World Slaves

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I believe you have hit head the nail on the head - it isn't talked about so much because, like 95% of all slavery, - the people who were slaves fought their way out of it - and went on to blend in with society through the years.

There is no victim to talk about - in the black culture it is still used as an excuse for poor productivity and still is believed compensation is due to them (which fogs my brain to no end).
And the Irish quickly and easily forgave the English, soon becoming the fast friends they are today

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Just like very few history books will point out the fact that slavery was outlawed in Europe and America before it ever was in most African countries, or the fact that African tribe leaders collaborated with white slave traders to sell out members of their own race.
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Under the pressure of colonialism.

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My understanding is it was a sort of pushmi-pullu thing. The colonies needed slaves to develop and once developed needed even more slaves, but the original impetus came from black culture. The expanding bantu peoples had a societal quirk that gave them a great surplus of male slaves in wartime, which was almost constant. The arabs started to exploit this in the 10thc and the Portugeuse found a thriving trade when they arrived later

The important thing is that the slaves had a large and important part in building the Western hemisphere
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Re: The White New World Slaves

Those were some fine people back then.
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Old 06-18-2008
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Those were some fine people back then.
It's been theorized that slavery as practiced in the West Indies, where the slaves were systematically worked to death, did a lot of egregiious harm to the masters mentality, brutalizing them in a time when the world was becoming more just rather than strong. This led to intranisgence rather than compromise when faced with the demands of a generally Enlightened populace with economics on their side, and eventually the vengeful excesses of the French Revolution.
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