the proof is their history. which your not very good at. I think the goverment kept them around. now why was that????

no shit sherlock. read that in the national geograhpic did ya???

look who dropped his rifle and back pack and ran to the rear

Again, I don't know why they did, because there was no good reason too. Perhaps you can share your opinions on why.

You claimed that Marines 'fired these guns'. Which was only true in the case of a single 5 inch gun turret. So, what additional guns they fire?

Veteran of the invasion of Iraq here, buddy. Still, another class move on your part.

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no good reason. seems someone higher up in the chain of command disagrees with you. I could put a link in here showing their service. but would it do any good??? would you read it or once again am i wasiting my time. you need to talk to the Marines who were on those shitty islands that were pinned down and getting ripped to pieces. they'll tell you why those BB's were a god send.
..........if you served in Iraq I salute you. I served in Nam. my war's over. this one is yours.

I am sure those Marines would tell you the cruisers and close in destroyers also got the job done. I know the Marines I have spoken with (one was an original flag raiser on Iwo) had high praise for them. Still, we are talking post WW2 here.

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Seems like someone higher in the chain of command wasn't concerned about wasting taxpayers money, that's all you can proof with your comment.

Anyway you are the first person I've met, who still considers battleships a good tool and give praise to them, even although they had been de facto outdated during ww2 already.

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cruisers and close in destroyers: 8", 3 and 5". they got to close and got hit by Jap artillery. but not as good as 16". from 25 miles away. still they did their job. my dad's cruiser supported the N Africa landing in nov 42. then later gunfire support for Patton's advance across Sicily. and the invasion of France.
no. we are talking about their service during WW11. right up to the last day.

they were designed for war time economy. outdated after the first gulf war. their museums now. and Americans to this day still flock to board them. wonder why????

If we are talking about WW2, why did you even bring up Korea and Vietnam?

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you forgot the gulf war. service life. more WW11 service. get it????

Service life doesn't always mean militarily effective. Again, militarily speaking, the battleship lost its relevance after WW2.

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

I think you just came around full circle. maybe we should slow down your merry go round???? hahahaha

Are you incapable of a serious discussion? I have been nothing but civil with you here.

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What does Americans flocking them today, has to do with their (general) military value after ww2?

I mean Germans are flocking ww2 U-boats in museums as well and a still I wouldn't connect this to make a judgement about e.g. Wolfrudel- tactics.

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congrads on your Uboats. this has to do with ????

Well that was my question as well (which you unhappily haven't answered) ; you brought up Americans flocking the nowadays museum sides aka ww2 battelships (and I still wonder why you brought this up?)

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