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Old 02-19-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

the communists were gonna get the bomb anyway. they stole it all from us.
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Old 02-19-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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The A Bombs were the biggest war crimes in the human history and I hope that they will be the last ones. The second biggest war crimes are the Iraq war, the Vietnam war and the 4th the holocaust by Hitler.
How in the name of all that is holy do you justify ranking the war in Iraq above the deliberate extermination of 6 million people?

You say a LOT of stupid shit but that really cranks the agregate stupidity of post count through the roof.
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Old 02-20-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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How in the name of all that is holy do you justify ranking the war in Iraq above the deliberate extermination of 6 million people?

You say a LOT of stupid shit but that really cranks the agregate stupidity of post count through the roof.
I do have to agree. It might rank above Vietnam and Iraq but the Holocaust is certainly number 1 of the 4.

To be honest, there was more justification than just Japan was still fighting. To begin there was some thought we might be beginning an atomic war and should get in our best licks while we could. (There are rumours the Japanese tested bombs in Korea to this day, we know their program in Japan was bombed out, but noone has ever seen what happened to their program in Korea, and they had some people better than the Germans. They couldn't have delivered bombs to America but they could have bombed our bases and fleets.)

And while the Home Islands were pretty well done there was over a million man army of blooded veterans left in China. We needed something pretty decisive to ensure they didn't break away and try to go it alone.
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Old 02-20-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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How in the name of all that is holy do you justify ranking the war in Iraq above the deliberate extermination of 6 million people?
It is clear that the nukes in Japan are the biggest war crime in the history of Earth. Pearl Harbor was a theater conducted by FDR. The attack was against civilian population only and radioactivity damages still remain a major problem.

Number two is the Iraq war - this has happened in our times when most people should have had access to reliable information and right to honest governments. More than 5 million people have been slaughtered and 3-4 million are refugees. The whole population was very close to death because of this ethnic cleansing which started 1980 when USA ordered Saddam to destroy Iran with US assistance. The latest aggressions took place in an independent country against the resolution of the UN. This war crime involves extensive and brutal torture and assassinations comparable to holocaust. The 911 was used as a fake excuse. Israel is also highly involved.

Number three is the Vietnam war and related mass murders in the neighboring countries done by USA (Kissinger main war criminal). Estimations vary very much but could be 10 million civilians. The war started as a result of the Gulf of Tonkin conspiracy where US marines were shooting their own ships and accused Vietnamese.

Number four should be Afghanistan. The country has suffered war for 50 years and the whole population is suffering and millions dead.

Number five is Hitler's holocaust - Wikipedia on holocaust deaths: This gives a total of over 3.8 million; of these, 80–90% were estimated to be Jews. The ethnic cleansing was systematic like in the M and N East wars (USA and Israel major war criminals).

By the way, there are academic investigations about the war crimes. I may provide links whenever I will find them next time.

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Old 02-20-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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It is clear that the nukes in Japan are the biggest war crime in the history of Earth. Pearl Harbor was a theater conducted by FDR. The attack was against civilian population only and radioactivity damages still remain a major problem.
Utterly vapid nonsense.

The biggest war crime in the history of mankind was the industrial slaughter perpetrated by your nation's allies, the Nazis.

But I don't expect you to be capable of honesty here, being one who quotes holocaust deniers as authoritative sources.

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Old 02-22-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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It is clear that the nukes in Japan are the biggest war crime in the history of Earth. Pearl Harbor was a theater conducted by FDR. The attack was against civilian population only and radioactivity damages still remain a major problem.

Number two is the Iraq war - this has happened in our times when most people should have had access to reliable information and right to honest governments. More than 5 million people have been slaughtered and 3-4 million are refugees. The whole population was very close to death because of this ethnic cleansing which started 1980 when USA ordered Saddam to destroy Iran with US assistance. The latest aggressions took place in an independent country against the resolution of the UN. This war crime involves extensive and brutal torture and assassinations comparable to holocaust. The 911 was used as a fake excuse. Israel is also highly involved.

Number three is the Vietnam war and related mass murders in the neighboring countries done by USA (Kissinger main war criminal). Estimations vary very much but could be 10 million civilians. The war started as a result of the Gulf of Tonkin conspiracy where US marines were shooting their own ships and accused Vietnamese.

Number four should be Afghanistan. The country has suffered war for 50 years and the whole population is suffering and millions dead.

Number five is Hitler's holocaust - Wikipedia on holocaust deaths: This gives a total of over 3.8 million; of these, 80–90% were estimated to be Jews. The ethnic cleansing was systematic like in the M and N East wars (USA and Israel major war criminals).

By the way, there are academic investigations about the war crimes. I may provide links whenever I will find them next time.
Click, click, click, click.

The stupidity factor just keeps growing.
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Old 02-22-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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It is clear that the nukes in Japan are the biggest war crime in the history of Earth. Pearl Harbor was a theater conducted by FDR. The attack was against civilian population only and radioactivity damages still remain a major problem.
Radioactivity 70 years after a fission bomb goes off? You really don't understand the science of nuclear weapons do you... put down "wacko conspiracy quarterly" and pick up some hard physics.

As far as the "increase of leukemia cases in Japan between 1950 and 1990" (to quote that fool's source, Wikipedia) that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with massive medical detection breakthroughs and the increasing westernization of Japanese medical science? The ability to detect leukemia has increased by LEAPS AND BOUNDS in the last 40 years.

But you know what? I think I'm going to call in an expert. My father happens to be a pathologist... a real ol' Medical Doctor. I think I'm going to ask him for some Accredited sources on the topic... you know, the kind you can actually CITE. (something that conspiracy wackos ALWAYS stumble over)
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Old 02-23-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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Utterly vapid nonsense.

The biggest war crime in the history of mankind was the industrial slaughter perpetrated by your nation's allies, the Nazis.

But I don't expect you to be capable of honesty here, being one who quotes holocaust deniers as authoritative sources.

Matt
let me know when we decide who gets gold medal at the war crimes olympics.

to me, your belief that a 'biggest war crime' can be decided upon is vapid nonsense.

have you ever read primary source accounts of the spanish treatment of natives?

their victims did not survive to go nationalize someone else's land.

how do we fit rwanda into the equation? scholarly estimates put the rate of killing per day on level with the nazi rate at the height of the endsolong, and that was with inferior equipment! machetes for crying out loud.

does that earn them at least the silver?

delusion on, fool.
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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Radioactivity 70 years after a fission bomb goes off? You really don't understand the science of nuclear weapons do you... put down "wacko conspiracy quarterly" and pick up some hard physics.

As far as the "increase of leukemia cases in Japan between 1950 and 1990" (to quote that fool's source, Wikipedia) that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with massive medical detection breakthroughs and the increasing westernization of Japanese medical science? The ability to detect leukemia has increased by LEAPS AND BOUNDS in the last 40 years.

But you know what? I think I'm going to call in an expert. My father happens to be a pathologist... a real ol' Medical Doctor. I think I'm going to ask him for some Accredited sources on the topic... you know, the kind you can actually CITE. (something that conspiracy wackos ALWAYS stumble over)
so you are arguing that there are no lingering consequences of the use of nukes on the japanese?
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Old 02-25-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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Radioactivity 70 years after a fission bomb goes off? You really don't understand the science of nuclear weapons do you... put down "wacko conspiracy quarterly" and pick up some hard physics.

But you know what? I think I'm going to call in an expert. My father happens to be a pathologist... a real ol' Medical Doctor. I think I'm going to ask him for some Accredited sources on the topic... you know, the kind you can actually CITE. (something that conspiracy wackos ALWAYS stumble over)
I know exactly what the scientists say about the US nuclear bombs. In the nuclear test ranges the radioactivity has decreased and only the nearest locations remain contaminated. But in the Japanese cities the radioactivity is still today killing people and many have got genetical mutations which will never fade away. And my sources are highly scientific ones (you can read more from the links of the example source here) and they tell about the results of long-lasting monitoring from Hiroshima and Nagasagi:

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There have been 9,335 deaths from solid cancer and 31,881 deaths from noncancer diseases during the 47-year follow-up. Of these, 19% of the solid cancer and 15% of the noncancer deaths occurred during the latest 7 years. We estimate that about 440 (5%) of the solid cancer deaths and 250 (0.8%) of the noncancer deaths were associated with the radiation exposure. The excess solid cancer risks appear to be linear in dose even for doses in the 0 to 150-mSv range.
A useful representative value is that for those exposed at age 30 the solid cancer risk is elevated by 47% per sievert at age 70.
The evidence for radiation effects on noncancer mortality remains strong, with risks elevated by about 14% per sievert during the last 30 years of follow-up. Statistically significant increases are seen for heart disease, stroke, digestive diseases, and respiratory diseases.
BioOne Online Journals - Studies of Mortality of Atomic Bomb Survivors. Report 13: Solid Cancer and Noncancer Disease Mortality: 1950?1997
Shadows of Hiroshima | CBC Archives
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4758232.stm

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The uranium fuelled atom bomb detonated at 8.15 am, 600 meters (2000 feet) above the ground surface, in a calculated devilish design to maximise the devastation, reduced this beautiful city to a veritable picture of hell. 80,000 died instantly, and by the end of the year of 1945 another 60,000 succumbed to radiation poisoning and other dreadful injuries, bringing the death toll to 140,000, out of a total population of 300,000. Many more continued to die due to cancer and genetic complications caused by the atom bomb (A-bomb), and the death toll, as of today, stands at 242,437. Still about 270,000 A-bomb affected people or hibakusha, live in Hiroshima today.
Hiroshima Day: Remembering the Horrors of Nuclear Attack : Hiroshima Day: Remembering the Horrors of Nuclear Attack, DrNachiketaDas blogs on sulekha, Peace; Politics blogs, DrNachiketaDas blog from india
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Children of the Atomic Bomb was developed by AASC in partnership with James N. Yamazaki, UCLA professor emeritus in pediatrics. At the age of 33, Yamazaki was the lead physician of the 1949 U.S. Atomic Bomb Medical Team, studying the effects of nuclear bombing on children in Nagasaki, in which more than 100,000 persons died directly, with hundreds of thousands more being exposed directly and indirectly to the bomb. The children, both living and future generations, were especially vulnerable to the genetic effects of the bomb.
http://www.international.ucla.edu/ar...parentid=95317

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Old 04-30-2009
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Re: The A Bombs Of Japan: necessary ???

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It is clear that the nukes in Japan are the biggest war crime in the history of Earth. Pearl Harbor was a theater conducted by FDR. The attack was against civilian population only and radioactivity damages still remain a major problem.

Number two is the Iraq war - this has happened in our times when most people should have had access to reliable information and right to honest governments. More than 5 million people have been slaughtered and 3-4 million are refugees. The whole population was very close to death because of this ethnic cleansing which started 1980 when USA ordered Saddam to destroy Iran with US assistance. The latest aggressions took place in an independent country against the resolution of the UN. This war crime involves extensive and brutal torture and assassinations comparable to holocaust. The 911 was used as a fake excuse. Israel is also highly involved.

Number three is the Vietnam war and related mass murders in the neighboring countries done by USA (Kissinger main war criminal). Estimations vary very much but could be 10 million civilians. The war started as a result of the Gulf of Tonkin conspiracy where US marines were shooting their own ships and accused Vietnamese.

Number four should be Afghanistan. The country has suffered war for 50 years and the whole population is suffering and millions dead.

Number five is Hitler's holocaust - Wikipedia on holocaust deaths: This gives a total of over 3.8 million; of these, 80–90% were estimated to be Jews. The ethnic cleansing was systematic like in the M and N East wars (USA and Israel major war criminals).

By the way, there are academic investigations about the war crimes. I may provide links whenever I will find them next time.
Analyst you leave out quite a few war crimes wherein the perpetrators were smart enough to keep them from being publicized. Given the fact that you put the Nazi war crimes below Iraq on your list speaks for itself in terms of your objectivity, along with your absurd "911 was an inside job" garbage. Why doesn't Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot make your list? Each of them directed and/or presided over the extermination of millions.
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