The Evolution of Christianity - Page 6 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

fishjoel · #76 (**permalink**) 07-23-2009

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Originally Posted by Skynet

Religion is the biggest blunder in human history. That and Reaganomics.

And this added what to the discussion?

jet57 · #77 (**permalink**) 07-23-2009

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Originally Posted by Skynet

Religion is the biggest blunder in human history. That and Reaganomics.

Embolden mine.

Explain that please. It sounds like an interesting concept.
(Detail it as much as you can).

compote_tom · #78 (**permalink**) 07-23-2009

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Originally Posted by jet57

I think that The Church and the state wll always be joined at the hip. The Church has always been shown to be a necessary social adhesive since the monastic system began to replace the dark age pagan kingdoms. It was the spreading of the monastic system as part of the mission of William the Conqueror that he offered to Pope Alexander II who in turn granted papal blessing for William's invasion of 1066. The very same thing happened thrity years later in 1096 with the 1st Crusade. (The Roman empire still exists today through The Holy Roman Church...).

I can very well see how in modern times, as science catches up with "mystic" views that religion can be seen to be in some sort of danger. However, I think that religion will always be necessary for any civilized society to operate. This [practice] has remained a staple throughout human history, as (a church) gives Apeople a tangible place to practice the virtue of hope.

I'm not sure I 100% agree with you, but you have a very valid point.

jet57 · #79 (**permalink**) 07-23-2009

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Originally Posted by compote_tom

I'm not sure I 100% agree with you, but you have a very valid point.

What is it that do not agree with? And what point do you see?

Muthsera · #80 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009

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Originally Posted by JDJarvis

There is no mystery there, no debate, there are records in history that are clear and easy to read not to mention in the religious texts of the faiths.

It has nothing to do with the monotheistic nature of the faiths, simply the recognition of Abraham as a prophet in all three faiths.

There are others as well. Such as all see Jesus as an important figure. And they all talk about Moses. Etc.

I don't mean it as a mystery. I'm arguing why one would just limit oneself to seeing Christianity had evolve on its own? But not take into account relations to the other monotheistic religions?

After all. You can look at the Saint tradition as a continuation on the polytheistic traditions of the very early hebrew faith.

htperr6565 · #81 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

What does "command resources" mean?

I know we rapidly consume and extract resources for profit thereby destroying ecosystems and undermining the earths ability to regulate its life support systems... and yes we email each other...

Is this proof of GOD to you?

Andrew

Commanding resources means that humans can manipulate the earth's resources to very significant ends. Man has truly mastered many of the natural laws of this earth, and has an ability to manipulate the earth to his own ends far beyond the scope of any other specie, so far as to make comparison childishly ignorant.

it is proof that humans are a unique and special specie here on earth, and are in fact stewards and shephards of the earth.

Muthsera · #82 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009

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Originally Posted by htperr6565

Commanding resources means that humans can manipulate the earth's resources to very significant ends. Man has truly mastered many of the natural laws of this earth, and has an ability to manipulate the earth to his own ends far beyond the scope of any other specie, so far as to make comparison childishly ignorant.

it is proof that humans are a unique and special specie here on earth, and are in fact stewards and shephards of the earth.

Proof? Are you on drugs? Its not proof. It is at best indisia. Proof would be that god hang in the sky telling us what to do every single moment. That if we prayed to him he would answer all our prayers. That would be repeatable tests with a reliable outcome. Which is the definition of facts, which in term is proof..........

Get your terminology in order mate. What you have is indications at best. And bad indications at that. Not proof in any regard.

Your logic is terrible mate.

Andrewl · #83 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009

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Originally Posted by htperr6565

Commanding resources means that humans can manipulate the earth's resources to very significant ends. Man has truly mastered many of the natural laws of this earth, and has an ability to manipulate the earth to his own ends far beyond the scope of any other specie, so far as to make comparison childishly ignorant.

In reality we are just 7 billion people all trying to consume, some way more than they need, and most way less than they need. Modern human civilization (of which you apparently feel so enamored) is mainly just a violent and destructive force obsessed with control and power.

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it is proof that humans are a unique and special specie here on earth, and are in fact stewards and shephards of the earth.

Every living thing on the planet is unique. And i certainly don't see how our uniquely destructive behavior makes us at all good stewards of the earth. The mere suggestion is just asinine arrogance.

Andrew

htperr6565 · #84 (**permalink**) 07-26-2009

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

In reality we are just 7 billion people all trying to consume, some way more than they need, and most way less than they need. Modern human civilization (of which you apparently feel so enamored) is mainly just a violent and destructive force obsessed with control and power.

on one side of the coin i definitely agree with you. however, modern power is unique in that it is no longer based on violence alone, like more primitive systems may have functioned. its uniqueness is more centered on its ability to liberate its subjects from a more burdensome life. not claiming utopia here, but to not recognize its beauty is to wear a blindfold.

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Every living thing on the planet is unique. And i certainly don't see how our uniquely destructive behavior makes us at all good stewards of the earth. The mere suggestion is just asinine arrogance.

its not that we are unique, its how we are unique. i never said we were 'good' stewards of the earth, just that we are.

jet57 · #85 (**permalink**) 07-26-2009

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Originally Posted by htperr6565

on one side of the coin i definitely agree with you. however, modern power is unique in that it is no longer based on violence alone, like more primitive systems may have functioned. its uniqueness is more centered on its ability to liberate its subjects from a more burdensome life. not claiming utopia here, but to not recognize its beauty is to wear a blindfold.

its not that we are unique, its how we are unique. i never said we were 'good' stewards of the earth, just that we are.

I'm inclinded to disagree with the notion that modern power is not based on violence alone. I would argue that it is: violence comes in many different froms. One of the chief motivators for power is economic violence which can be visited upon a community of any number of people by the stroke of a pen.
Or The edict.

Violence is a very insidious thing. When human beings are starved, put from their homes and otherwise denied basic rights in the name of some politcal mandate, or sociological benefit - that springs from political power, that is violence.

When one groop is made to suffer - in any form - through the desire of another group, that is tyranny. This idea is tracable throughout human history and in modern times. Religious beliefs are often the cornerstone used to build politcal and economic violence.

CruciFiction · #86 (**permalink**) 07-27-2009

Very good read. Thanks for the thread, TSGracchus.

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