LeatherneckPM, Tanngrisnir3 you are both racists and nazis. Both of you use the same scheme of national stereotypes: "I don't have anything against Russians, i have Russian friends ... bal-bla-bla... but Russians are dirty alchoholics... and so on..."

For example, i don't drink at all...

Usually i don't answer to racists and nazis, but i will make exclusion one time.

If Choco's posts are not example of Nazism and racism, then i don't know what Nazism and racism is...

[QUOTE=MilleVanille;1448873]LeatherneckPM, Tanngrisnir3 you are both racists and nazis. Both of you use the same scheme of national stereotypes...

For example, i don't drink at all...



Usually i don't answer to racists and nazis, but i will make exclusion one time.



If Choco's posts are not example of Nazism and racism, then i don't know what Nazism and racism is...[/QUOTE]

You got that right.

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The Russians punished the Germans in 1945-47. The Soviet army pushed the Germans back over the border and kept going to Berlin through what used to be East Prussia, Pomerania and Brandenburg and into Silesia farther south. In the former East Prussia, all Germans were expelled, cities were destroyed and every trace of German life was removed.

About 14 million people were expelled; the number of deaths were in the range of 2 million Germans. They died of cold and exposure; they were murderd with guns; they were tortured and beaten to death.

There were many individual examples of dreadful deaths. About 10,000 people died on the Wilhelm Gustloff, a refugee ship which was torpedoed in the Baltic sea.

Wilhelm Gustloff - The Greatest Ship Disaster and Sinking in History

The best book I know of on the topic is East Prussian Diary, A Journal of Faith by Count Hans von Lehndorff.

East Prussian diary: A journal of faith,1945-1947: Hans von Lehndorff: Amazon.co.uk: Books

In Berlin, about 100,000 women were raped by Russians, and that does not incude the tens of thousands of women in other parts of eastern Germany.

This is the best book on the subject that I know:

Amazon.com: A Woman in Berlin: Eight Weeks in the Conquered City--A Diary: Anonymous, Philip Boehm: Books

The Russians conquered and absorbed parts of eastern Germany, and conquered east-central Germany and ruled those provinces for more than forty years - inlcuding half of the former capital.

It was not only the Russians who punished the Germans. There is an extraordinary book called After the Reich, by Giles MacDonough - a stunning account of what Germans experienced in the years immediately after the war.

Amazon.com: After the Reich: Giles MacDonogh: Books

The German army started the war; they entered Russia with the intent of destroying your nation and enslaving the Russian people.

The sufferings of the Russians are unimaginable. I know that.

I have just finished this book, about the Siege of Leningrad - State of Siege by Michael Jones: Amazon.com: Leningrad: State of Siege: Michael Jones: Books

I know that is only one aspect of a horrifying ordeal.

I am only saying that the Germans did suffer horribly at the end of the war. There are many examples of that.

His response was a parody of your own posts.

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STOP IT

This is a serious topic.

No more insults.

Any proves? For the first time the digit 10.000 of raped in Berlin appeared in the book of some german author in 1949 with the prefix "probably". Every decade this digit was multiplying, so it turned to some fantastical digits...

The truth is that discipline in Soviet army was very strict.

German women offered themselves to Soviet soldiers for food, fuel and other stuff like that. That the real fact.

Offered themselves?

There are many eyewitness accounts. I know some of the family members of those who were attacked; they live in the suburbs of Berlin.

I don't think it is controversial to say this.

Yes, many German women offered themselves in exchange for food and fuel... So there were almost no need in rapes.

I agree, there were some rapes, but those cases were rare, because the punishment for this act was big since the discipline was strong...

There may have been punishment for the acts - but Berlin and most of Europe were in a state of chaos during those months. Many things happened that were not punished.

What do you think of my other comments?

I am interested.

Please tell us more. I liked that one.

Youre going to have to admit that killing innocents is not rectified by killing more innocents. But I suspect you wont.

I take it you personally would like to pull the trigger? Have you any women and children in mind for you're executions?

Anyway, why havent you accepted that innocent russians should die for the crimes of other russians just as innocent germans should die for the crimes of other germans? Doesnt that make sense to you?

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Guess who?

Click your heels together three times and say "There's no place like home..."

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You really are completely clueless. The sheer stupidity of this crap is really impressive!

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"On my signal, unleash hell"

I don't think he will understand this....

Ok, give your data... Not some fantastical calculations or estimations, but real data.

He doesn't grasp basic historical fact so a film reference is going to sail wayyyy over his head.

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We are United States Marines, and for two and a quarter centuries we have defined the standards of courage, esprit, and military prowess.
Gen. James L. Jones, USMC (CMC); 10 November 2000

"On my signal, unleash hell"