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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

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Why Germans were not punished after WW2? After WW2 they almost didn't have any punishment...

Germans killed 15.8 millions of civilians on the territory of USSR, 1 millions of those civilians were jews. USSR lost 26.6 millions of people totally with military deaths. In Poland they killed 5.6 millions of civilians, including 3 mlns of jews.

While Germany lost only 1.5 millions of civilians, including Jews, Gypsies, etc... murdered by Germans.

So why weren't Germans punished as they should be after the War? Why there were no any punishment to criminal German nation? Especially knowing the fact that Germans used enslaved people from Russia in their homes, fields, plants as slaves. Especially knowing the fact that Germans knew what German army does on Eastern front. Every German knew that! And there were absolutely no protests against it!* ABSOLUTELY NO! That makes every German a participator in this criminal activity! That makes every German a criminal!

So why weren't they punished?

* 20th July plot does not count since it was not civilian protest, but just a plot among military establishment for the "good" of Reich, but not against German criminal activity.
Wasn't WWII punishment enough?

You know, I was born just after WWII, and when I was growing up there was still a lot of talk about it. As a young girl, I heard many things which stay with me to this day. The grown ups in those days weren't so aware of what little ears where hearing....
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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

Plus, if they were raped, they were just raped, not raped-than-murdered-style, that were practiced by Germans...

Yesterday I was reading the blog of archaeological team, searching and digging out burial places of people murdered by Germans.
They recently discovered again a grave with bones of young girls and German condoms...
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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

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Ok, give your data... Not some fantastical calculations or estimations, but real data.
Here are several sources that are quite varied:

The Russians in Germany: A History ... - Google Book Search

1945: BERLIN

German movie puts war rapes in focus | Art&Fun from 2008-10-25 | RT

Rape of women during wartime

Sexual Violence in World War II : New German Study Looks at Rape Trauma 60 Years On - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Hoover Institution - Policy Review - A Contest of Brutality

The Greatest Mass Rape in History
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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

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Plus, it was just rapes, not rapes-than-murders, that were practiced by Germans...

Yesterday I was reading the blog of archaeological team, searching and digging out burial places of people murdered by Germans.
They recently discovered again a grave with bones of young girls and German condoms...
And the perps are pushing up daisies. So what would you have done to them?
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Plus, it was just rapes, not rapes-than-murders, that were practiced by Germans...

Yesterday I was reading the blog of archaeological team, searching and digging out burial places of people murdered by Germans.
They recently discovered again a grave with bones of young girls and German condoms...
Yes, indeed.

The Nazis did terrible, horrifying things.
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And the perps are pushing up daisies. So what would you have done to them?
Punished them.
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Punished them.
You want to dig them up and punish them? Can I watch?
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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

stay ON topic folks.....
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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

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You want to dig them up and punish them? Can I watch?
I don't believe this.


When rape and torture are the topic for humor, this forum is no longer a place I want to be.

The stupidity here is finally over the line.

Break time for me.
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stay ON topic folks.....
Gee, I thought I WAS. Someone wants to punish WWII perps who are now dead. On second thought, I probably don't want to watch.
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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

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Every German knew that! And there were absolutely no protests against it!* ABSOLUTELY NO! That makes every German a participator in this criminal activity! That makes every German a criminal!

Unless you believe that Nazi Germany between 1941/ 45 was a democracy that is not making sense...........
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Unless you believe that Nazi Germany between 1941/ 45 was a democracy that is not making sense...........
Nothing that the OP has said makes sense. But what would I know, since I am apparently a racist Nazi!

A lot of individuals did a lot of bad things in WWII. Globally, there are a lot of bad people still doing bad things. I fail to see the point of discussing the behavior a long dead Germans. It is for the Germans themselves to deal with their history and learn from it. It appears to me that they have.
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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

Correct me if I am wrong but the USSR held several hundred thousand German POW's after the war, and used them as sleave labor for ten years, very few of whom came home alive. They held trials and executed convicted war criminals. They dismanteled East German infrastructure and shipped it back to the USSR as reparations. They, as well as the US, recruited scientists that worked for Hitler. Perhaps if Stalin had not stupidly murdered his competent military officer corps out of paranoia in the 1930's, and if he not idiotically signed a pact with Hitler and actually took him at his word, then so many Russians may not have died when the Nazi's finally did attack. I am not sure what more you want.
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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

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Why Germans were not punished after WW2? After WW2 they almost didn't have any punishment...

Germans killed 15.8 millions of civilians on the territory of USSR, 1 millions of those civilians were jews. USSR lost 26.6 millions of people totally with military deaths. In Poland they killed 5.6 millions of civilians, including 3 mlns of jews.

While Germany lost only 1.5 millions of civilians, including Jews, Gypsies, etc... murdered by Germans.

So why weren't Germans punished as they should be after the War?
apparently you have never read the "Fall of Berlin." The German population paid dearly for the crimes of their government, in several cases. The bombing of Dresden, the occupation of the Red army, (can you say rape any woman between 8 and 80?). You seem to be fairly ignorant of these matters.

Furthermore, there was no push for political punishment because following the war, there was a new bogeyman, the USSR, and germany lie right on the border between western democracy and soviet communism.
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Re: Why Germans were not punished after WW2?

Anyway guys.

Why the hell do Russians have a problem with Germany?

After all, they didnt mind them when they helped each other invade Poland!

Too bad for them the Jerries turned on them later, so lets not pretend Russians have any moral high ground to speak of.
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