Why Germans were not punished after WW2? - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

MilleVanille · #1 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

Why Germans were not punished after WW2? After WW2 they almost didn't have any punishment...

Germans killed 15.8 millions of civilians on the territory of USSR, 1 millions of those civilians were jews. USSR lost 26.6 millions of people totally with military deaths. In Poland they killed 5.6 millions of civilians, including 3 mlns of jews.

While Germany lost only 1.5 millions of civilians, including Jews, Gypsies, etc... murdered by Germans.

So why weren't Germans punished as they should be after the War? Why there were no any punishment to criminal German nation? Especially knowing the fact that Germans used enslaved people from Russia in their homes, fields, plants as slaves. Especially knowing the fact that Germans knew what German army does on Eastern front. Every German knew that! And there were absolutely no protests against it!* ABSOLUTELY NO! That makes every German a participator in this criminal activity! That makes every German a criminal!

So why weren't they punished?

* 20th July plot does not count since it was not civilian protest, but just a plot among military establishment for the "good" of Reich, but not against German criminal activity.

Tanngrisnir3 · #2 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

Why weren't Russians forced to wear rabbit suits, ride unicycles and sing the national anthem of Paraguay?

Or is there a huge net of waffles, threatening you, like a brown trout with disassociative fugue?

Purple? CATTOPR PUh.m

Chocobot · #3 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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Originally Posted by MilleVanille

Why Germans were not punished after WW2? After WW2 they almost didn't have any punishment...

Germans killed 15.8 millions of civilians on the territory of USSR, 1 millions of those civilians were jews. USSR lost 26.6 millions of people totally with military deaths. In Poland they killed 5.6 millions of civilians, including 3 mlns of jews.

While Germany lost only 1.5 millions of civilians, including Jews, Gypsies, etc... murdered by Germans.

So why weren't Germans punished as they should be after the War? Why there were no any punishment to criminal German nation? Especially knowing the fact that Germans used enslaved people from Russia in their homes, fields, plants as slaves. Especially knowing the fact that Germans knew what German army does on Eastern front. Every German knew that! And there were absolutely no protests against it!* ABSOLUTELY NO! That makes every German a participator in this criminal activity! That makes every German a criminal!

So why weren't they punished?

* 20th July plot does not count since it was not civilian protest, but just a plot among military establishment for the "good" of Reich, but not against German criminal activity.

What punishment would you like to have seen?

I take it splitting the country into halves and imprisoning one half wasnt enough?

MilleVanille · #4 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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What punishment would you like to have seen?

courts and several millions of death sentences...

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I take it splitting the country into halves and imprisoning one half wasnt enough?

They were not killed...

Forsa Survey based on German from both east and west, has produced what I think are astonishing results; they suggest that many Germans would like to see that grim symbol of repression, the Berlin Wall, reconstructed. 73% from the east felt that socialism was a good idea poorly implemented with 90% saying they enjoyed better 'social protection' under the GDR. Most of the Germans interviewed said they would prefer to live in West Germany should the wall still be in place but no less than 36% of former east Germans said they would prefer to live in East Germany. Anyone who has seen that rivetingly grim German film on the Stasi, The Lives of Others, will find this very hard to understand.

http://skipper59.blogspot.com/2007/1...rlin-wall.html

Chocobot · #5 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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courts and several millions of death sentences...

They were not killed...

What do you think of the simple fact that many German civilians were killed during the war? Was this not enough.

By the way, what method of killing would you prefer?

MilleVanille · #6 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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What do you think of the simple fact that many German civilians were killed during the war? Was this not enough.

Only 1.5 German civilians were killed during the war... While in Russia and Poland Germans killed over 20 millions of civilians...

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By the way, what method of killing would you prefer?

At least 10 millions of death sentences should be implemented.

Tanngrisnir3 · #7 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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courts and several millions of death sentences..

But that's exactly what beloved Uncle Stalin gave you! And then some!

MilleVanille · #8 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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But that's exactly what beloved Uncle Stalin gave you! And then some!

There were no purges after the war, only before...

AJG · #9 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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Originally Posted by MilleVanille

Why Germans were not punished after WW2? After WW2 they almost didn't have any punishment...

Germans killed 15.8 millions of civilians on the territory of USSR, 1 millions of those civilians were jews. USSR lost 26.6 millions of people totally with military deaths. In Poland they killed 5.6 millions of civilians, including 3 mlns of jews.

While Germany lost only 1.5 millions of civilians, including Jews, Gypsies, etc... murdered by Germans.

So why weren't Germans punished as they should be after the War? Why there were no any punishment to criminal German nation? Especially knowing the fact that Germans used enslaved people from Russia in their homes, fields, plants as slaves. Especially knowing the fact that Germans knew what German army does on Eastern front. Every German knew that! And there were absolutely no protests against it!* ABSOLUTELY NO! That makes every German a participator in this criminal activity! That makes every German a criminal!

So why weren't they punished?

* 20th July plot does not count since it was not civilian protest, but just a plot among military establishment for the "good" of Reich, but not against German criminal activity.

I'm not sure you yourself would believe that "every German a participator in this criminal activity" if you even took the time to consider that there were probably many Germans who disagreed with German policy, but were too fearful to confess their concerns publicly.

I also think you need to research what had happend to Germany after WW2. Here's a nice link I found on google in about 30 seconds.

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1. Germany surrendered unconditionally. In other words, the Allies could do as they pleased with the country.

2. The country was divided into four zones (American, British, French and Soviet) governed by the four powers of occupation. Berlin, which geographically lay in the Soviet Zone, was divided into four sectors.

3. Germany east of the Oder and Neisse rivers was transferred to Poland and Soviet Union. The German population of these areas and also of Czechoslovakia and some east European countries was expelled and forcibly moved to Germany. Many estimates put the number of expelled Germans at about 11.7 million. Obviously, many suffered grievously and some died in the process. (Estimates of the number of Germans that died as a result of the expulsions range from 1 million to 2 million).

4. Hyperinflation. Prices rose by about 85% in the twelve months from December 1944. (For many Germans this was the second hyperinflation in a generation).

5. Germany was *morally* bankrupt.

6. All people who wished to keep positions of responsibility (such as teachers) had to convince the Allies that they weren't Nazis. This process of 'denazification' was felt to be very degrading.

7. The infrastructure had been very badly damaged by British and Americas bombing, and by fighting on the ground. Twelve months after the end of the war in Europe it took 72 hours to travel by rail from Munich to Hamburg.

8. In many parts of the country essentials such as food were in short supply. Even if they were 'there' on paper, transport problems often prvented efficient distribtion.

9. For both the Allies and the Germans, one of the top priorities was to clear rubble from the streets of the cities. Often the rubble made it impossible for vehicles to use the carriageway. This work was largely done by women. In exchange, they and their children were fed, but they were paid the equivalent of only 10 cents an hour.

10. The repatriation of prisoners of war took quite a while. The Red Cross tried to make sure that next of kin knew whether their menfolk were still alive, but for years after the war many women didn't know whether their husbands were still alive. The Soviet Union didn't return all POWs till 1955 - and sometimes didn't give information either.

11. It was above all the Cold War and the long postwar boom that pulled Germany out this mess.

WikiAnswers - What happened to Germany after World War 2

If you are suggesting we should have punished Germans similar to how we did in WWI (or worse), then you should really rethink the consequences considering that punishing Germany didn't do much to prevent a second World War.

Tanngrisnir3 · #10 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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There were no purges after the war, only before...

Who said anything about 'purges', Comrade?

Tanngrisnir3 · #11 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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I'm not sure you yourself would believe that "every German a participator in this criminal activity" if you even took the time to consider that there were probably many Germans who disagreed with German policy, but were too fearful to confess their concerns publicly.

I also think you need to research what had happend to Germany after WW2. Here's a nice link I found on google in about 30 seconds.

WikiAnswers - What happened to Germany after World War 2

If you are suggesting we should have punished Germans similar to how we did in WWI (or worse), then you should really rethink the consequences considering that punishing Germany didn't do much to prevent a second World War.

Trust me. As someone who knows the Russians, who has lived there and appreciated what they have to give this world, do not expect honest answers.

They are so heroin-level addicted to the past, recapturing the glories of the past, as to make our Grays, our southern re-enactors, look like kids w/skateboards in an Tarzana 7-11 parking lot.

IOW, they're nuts about this one, useless topic.

LeatherneckPM · #12 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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Originally Posted by MilleVanille

Why Germans were not punished after WW2? After WW2 they almost didn't have any punishment...

Germans killed 15.8 millions of civilians on the territory of USSR, 1 millions of those civilians were jews. USSR lost 26.6 millions of people totally with military deaths. In Poland they killed 5.6 millions of civilians, including 3 mlns of jews.

While Germany lost only 1.5 millions of civilians, including Jews, Gypsies, etc... murdered by Germans.

So why weren't Germans punished as they should be after the War? Why there were no any punishment to criminal German nation? Especially knowing the fact that Germans used enslaved people from Russia in their homes, fields, plants as slaves. Especially knowing the fact that Germans knew what German army does on Eastern front. Every German knew that! And there were absolutely no protests against it!* ABSOLUTELY NO! That makes every German a participator in this criminal activity! That makes every German a criminal!

So why weren't they punished?

* 20th July plot does not count since it was not civilian protest, but just a plot among military establishment for the "good" of Reich, but not against German criminal activity.

You know it's 2009 now, right?

May I make so bold as to suggest that you MOVE THE FUCK ON?

We need to learn the lessons from the past, try never repeat them and stop whining about who did what to who. I appreciate it might be difficult in Russia but GET A LIFE!

Chocobot · #13 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

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Only 1.5 German civilians were killed during the war... While in Russia and Poland Germans killed over 20 millions of civilians...

At least 10 millions of death sentences should be implemented.

Well... you guys do breed like rabbits, a bit of culling now and then is in order to maintain the natural balance. Don't you agree?

By the way, you guys had your chance to kill lots of Germans and you didnt take it. Why should anyone want to give you another chance?

MilleVanille · #14 (**permalink**) 05-09-2009

My granddad was killed by Germans in the concentration camp (they starved him to death), and the brother of my father's dad was killed by Germans in the fighting...

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May I make so bold as to suggest that you MOVE THE FUCK ON?

So please, FUCK THE HELL OFF!