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Old 07-15-2009
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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Geesh. and it has never occurred to you that the trilateral commission and the buildmeaburger's are figments of conspiracy theorists imagination?

Funny, because I believed that stuff until I did my own research.

You will accept these opinions not because you know they are verified and correct, but because they offer your simple mind a simply explanation of world events, and these opinions empower you to work towards an intellectual cause. Unfortunately for you, this cause is mythology.

Gee, five congressman speak of a bogeyman that pulls the strings behind the scenes, it must be true, eh?
If this were the only information, then you would have a point, but there is much, much, more.

The Trilateral Commission and Bilderbergs are both real. You should know this. The Trilateral Commission was founded by David Rockefeller, who selected Brzezinski to help choose members.

Have you read any of Brzezinski's books? The Grand Chessboard is a must read, as is Between Two Ages.

May I ask what you read which convinced you that no NWO type conspiracy exists?
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Old 07-15-2009
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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It's certainly not unconstitutional; you need to learn the difference between that word and "unfair" and "unjust."

I agree that this sort of gaming the system is unfair and unjust, but not nearly as unfair or unjust as abolishing unemployment compensation would be.
It is certainly unconstitutional to give US tax dollars from people who work to people who are not working.
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Old 07-15-2009
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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It is certainly unconstitutional to give US tax dollars from people who work to people who are not working.
yep, its all that simple, right. US tax dollars, by and large, do not fund unemployment. Unemployment is funded by employers who pay unemployment insurance.

you are a constitutional infant.
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Old 07-15-2009
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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No. Having two daughters who graduated from public school within the past year, I am too aware of the fact that what he said happened didn't happen, and therefore I have no reason even to consider what he said about why it happened. It's a reason for an event that never took place.
What state did they graduate from?

Did they ever take the EQA?

Have you ever seen the EQA test?

Have you ever watched the video from Peg Luksik on who controls our children?

At least watch the first 2 parts.

It's easy to find on youtube. Part 1 starts off slow, you can skip ahead to the 4 minute mark. Then watch part 2. This will take you a little over 15 minutes.
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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If this were the only information, then you would have a point, but there is much, much, more.

The Trilateral Commission and Bilderbergs are both real. You should know this. The Trilateral Commission was founded by David Rockefeller, who selected Brzezinski to help choose members.

Have you read any of Brzezinski's books? The Grand Chessboard is a must read, as is Between Two Ages.

May I ask what you read which convinced you that no NWO type conspiracy exists?
i am sure the idea of NWO has been elaborated on by some elites and rich types, etc. However, just because some rich man gave the idea and some website can take a bunch of current events and make them appear to be part of that idea in action, it does not mean its true.

So the idea is out there, its just no where close to being realized so as to warrant my attention. If humanity were as easily controlled to the extent that a few men could sit around and deceive the entire planet into world government, it would have happened a long time ago.

Any world empire eventually gets dragged down by the sea of human chaos. that is why i don't fear NWO conspiracies.

And, often, as you are a perfect case, someone chooses to understand all events in the world as if they must relate to NWO conspiracy. this gets real annoying.
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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Have you ever watched the video from Peg Luksik on who controls our children?
public schools are camps of disobedience, teenage sex, and drug experimentation. there is no control going there.

you are hilarious.
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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i am sure the idea of NWO has been elaborated on by some elites and rich types, etc. However, just because some rich man gave the idea and some website can take a bunch of current events and make them appear to be part of that idea in action, it does not mean its true.

So the idea is out there, its just no where close to being realized so as to warrant my attention. If humanity were as easily controlled to the extent that a few men could sit around and deceive the entire planet into world government, it would have happened a long time ago.

Any world empire eventually gets dragged down by the sea of human chaos. that is why i don't fear NWO conspiracies.

And, often, as you are a perfect case, someone chooses to understand all events in the world as if they must relate to NWO conspiracy. this gets real annoying.
Yet you failed to answer a single question I asked you.

That gets reall annoying too.
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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public schools are camps of disobedience, teenage sex, and drug experimentation. there is no control going there.

you are hilarious.
You are good at judging information without reading it. Is this how you concluded that there is no NWO conspiracy? Let me guess, you read one piece somewhere and you let that totally change your beliefs.

On May 4, 1993, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) president Leslie Gelb said on The Charlie Rose Show that:

"... you [Charlie Rose] had me on [before] to talk about the New World Order! I talk about it all the time. It's one world now. The Council [CFR] can find, nurture, and begin to put people in the kinds of jobs this country needs. And that's going to be one of the major enterprises of the Council under me."
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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What state did they graduate from?
Montana; however they also went to public school in Seattle, Washington.

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Not that I know of.

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Yes; as it claimed many things that I know to be false, and verifiably so, I did not take it very seriously.
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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Montana; however they also went to public school in Seattle, Washington.



Not that I know of.



Yes.



Yes; as it claimed many things that I know to be false, and verifiably so, I did not take it very seriously.
What did it claim that you know to be false?
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Old 07-15-2009
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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I have known dozens of people in my life who worked as little as possible until they fulfilled their unemployment requirement and then would take unemployment, for as long as was allowed, rarely ever looking for a job, milking that unemployment while often times working side jobs for cash.

Dozens of people and I am not even in the construction industry. It's not right. It is WRONG. It is unfair, unjust and unconstitutional.

I think it is due to less efficient forms of statism rather than the institution of employment compensation itself.

With better compliance to at-will employment doctrine, an individual could simply claim to be "naturally" unemployed and be eligible for unemployment compensation.

Such a public policy would engender less false witness bearing and corruption, as a form of secular, market based morals and ethics.
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Old 07-15-2009
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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yep, its all that simple, right. US tax dollars, by and large, do not fund unemployment. Unemployment is funded by employers who pay unemployment insurance.

you are a constitutional infant.
WRONG, employers pay the unemployment insurance TAX, the revenues from which are dedicated to fund unemployment "insurance" programs.

When government refers to one of its programs as "insurance" it does so not because it is what most people would reasonably call an insurance program, but to trick fools that clearly don't know any better into believing it is akin to such program and not just another tax and spend program.
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

In California, employers are required to maintain a form of fractional reserve account for unemployment purposes.

I think the employee should be allowed to pay half of that (tax) as a form of market based metric and equity.

In this case, Dutch is good.
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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What did it claim that you know to be false?
That American public schools operate on "process-centered education" principles, that the test she cited dominates everything and all education is oriented towards passing the test. All of that is simply untrue. I don't think you actually COULD have a school operating on process-centered education unless the student-teacher ratio was 1:1. We still have grades, we still have objective standards for completing subjects (more now than in the past, actually).
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Old 07-15-2009
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Re: Constitutional Law: "To Provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare"

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WRONG, employers pay the unemployment insurance TAX, the revenues from which are dedicated to fund unemployment "insurance" programs.

When government refers to one of its programs as "insurance" it does so not because it is what most people would reasonably call an insurance program, but to trick fools that clearly don't know any better into believing it is akin to such program and not just another tax and spend program.
What you just described IS an insurance program. The only distinction is that it's not voluntary. Neither is car insurance, though. But it operates exactly like insurance, that is, the tax (premium) pays a fraction of the actual cost of unemployment compensation for an employee of that pay, on the understanding that only a fraction of employees will file for unemployment. An uncertain large risk is exchanged for a certain small cost. That's exactly how insurance always operates.
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