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daddio · #46 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

Lincoln was a product of his times. Slavery was an institution.

In my opinion, it was not that Lincoln had any prejudicial stereotypes of the time, but that in spite of those prejudices did what was necessary to preserve the Union.

re-constitute the union and establish a different sort of slavery in te south

danielpalos · #47 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

What could he have done differently?

daddio · #48 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

What could he have done differently?

its the only thing he could do to satisfy his goals. his goals were the problem.

danielpalos · #49 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

In spite of those prejudices he did what was necessary to preserve the Union.

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As Lincoln's election became more likely, secessionists made it clear that their states would leave the Union.[99] On December 20, 1860, South Carolina took the lead. South Carolina was soon followed by Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana,[100] and Texas.[101] The seven states soon declared themselves to be a new nation, the Confederate States of America.[100] The North waited to see if Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, would Arkansas also secede.[102] President Buchanan and President-elect Lincoln refused to recognize the Confederacy.[103] Attempts at compromise, such as the Crittenden Compromise which would have extended the Missouri line of 1820, were discussed.[104] Despite support for the Crittenden Compromise among some Republicans, Lincoln denounced it in private letters,[104] saying "either the Missouri line extended, or ... Pop. Sov. would lose us everything we gained in the election; that filibustering for all South of us, and making slave states of it, would follow in spite of us, under either plan",[105] while other Republicans publicly stated it "would amount to a perpetual covenant of war against every people, tribe, and state owning a foot of land between here and Tierra del Fuego."[106]

The Confederate States of America selected Jefferson Davis on February 9, 1861, as their provisional President.[107]

President-elect Lincoln evaded possible assassins in Baltimore, and on February 23, 1861, arrived in disguise in Washington, D.C.[108] At his inauguration on March 4, 1861, sharpshooters watched the inaugural platform, while soldiers on horseback patrolled the surrounding area.[109] In his first inaugural address, Lincoln declared, "I hold that in contemplation of universal law and of the Constitution the Union of these States is perpetual. Perpetuity is implied, if not expressed, in the fundamental law of all national governments," arguing further that the purpose of the United States Constitution was "to form a more perfect union" than the Articles of Confederation which were explicitly perpetual, thus the Constitution too was perpetual. He asked rhetorically that even were the Constitution a simple contract, would it not require the agreement of all parties to rescind it?[110]

Source: Abraham Lincoln - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

passfan · #50 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by daddio

re-constitute the union and establish a different sort of slavery in te south

You can thank Andrew Johnson for what happened in the south after the war, not Lincoln

picaro · #51 (**permalink**) 3 Weeks Ago

More on the economics of slave labor in the cotton plantations pre-Civil War. Olmstead takes a different tack here and explains some of Fogel's stats, filling some holes.

http://www.unc.edu/~prhode/Cotton_Pickin.pdf

If that link to the pdf doesn't work for you, the full title and authorship info is

"Wait a Cotton Pickin' Minute!”
A New View of Slave Productivity
Alan L. Olmstead and Paul W. Rhodes

One of the historical sources cited in the above is here:

1852 edition

DeBow's]De Bow's review of the southern and ... - Google Books

De Bow's Review, various issues:

De Bow's

I will add that some years are shown twice; sometimes this means that the first 6 months of issues are bound in one pdf, and the last 6 months of the year's issues are in the other. Contemporary sources are always interesting.

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