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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

A single paragraph ought to do it. Just touch on the major themes.
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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

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A single paragraph ought to do it. Just touch on the major themes.
What exactly do you want a paragraph synopsis of?
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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

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The truth is Palestine was basically depopulated by Ottoman incompetance and Beduoin terrorism. When a small number of Jewish pioneers came into Palestine in the 19th century the place started to be reclaimed. It was the work of these Jewish pioneers that made Palestine attractive to numbers of outside Arabs who had not lived in the area before.
What a coincidence! It was just like Poland in 1939. The place was empty, and we sent a few Landsers over there. The put up a cozy place and *whoosh* suddenly a bunch of russians, claiming they were some sort of imaginary people called the "polish", showed up. Maybe we had believed them and left peacefully if they hadn't imagined that totally ridiculous name.
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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

Germany has enough sins on her conscious without you adding to them, Mabus.
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Germany has enough sins on her conscious without you adding to them, Mabus.
Yes, my country has a dark heritage to bear. And actually, it isn't doing that bad in living up to the responsibility resulting from it.

But you should be the last to critisize us germans for our past, for it is you who is generally in line with the national socialist agenda.
You are the one who spreads lies about the palestinians past, in order to justify the zionists' Lebensraum ideology.
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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

I don't buy into your hysterical anti-semitism, Mabus. You are adding to your country's dark heritage. You have not proved that the information in my posts is false, instead you just claim that it is. That's not enough.
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I don't buy into your hysterical anti-semitism, Mabus. You are adding to your country's dark heritage. You have not proved that the information in my posts is false, instead you just claim that it is. That's not enough.
The idea that the region of Palestine was nearly unpopulated when the jews returned is that ridiculous that I won't comment it any further. Palestine is well populated since thousands of years before Christ.

Maybe western technology allowed the immigrating jews to outpopulate the arabs, but that does not change the fact that it is their rightful homeland, as well. And it certainly does not change the fact that the current nation of Israel is systematically destroying the palestinian people in order to steal their homeland and that this is hitleresque, that it is just what the nazis planned with Poland and that people like you think that the zionists have the right to treat the Palestinians just like the Nazis treated the polish.

In my eyes, you are a national socialist, and without any doubt you would have been an outstanding Sturmbandführer and bleeding-heart Volksgenosse, certainly right from 1921 'til the very end of your austrian prophet.

Ironically, you are exactly what you want to make me be ashamed of.
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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

The idea that the region of Palestine was nearly unpopulated when the jews returned is that ridiculous that I won't comment it any further.

Are saying that those travelers were lying all those hundreds of years ago?
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The idea that the region of Palestine was nearly unpopulated when the jews returned is that ridiculous that I won't comment it any further. Palestine is well populated since thousands of years before Christ.

Maybe western technology allowed the immigrating jews to outpopulate the arabs, but that does not change the fact that it is their rightful homeland, as well. And it certainly does not change the fact that the current nation of Israel is systematically destroying the palestinian people in order to steal their homeland and that this is hitleresque, that it is just what the nazis planned with Poland and that people like you think that the zionists have the right to treat the Palestinians just like the Nazis treated the polish.

In my eyes, you are a national socialist, and without any doubt you would have been an outstanding Sturmbandführer and bleeding-heart Volksgenosse, certainly right from 1921 'til the very end of your austrian prophet.

Ironically, you are exactly what you want to make me be ashamed of.
Calling someone a Nazi usually is a sign of someone losing a debate. It's like showing a weak hand and attempting to bluff a pot.
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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

whatever happened in the late 1800s..none of this changes the fact that Israel is a apartheid state NOW-that is it's problem now, not plots of land and who owns them, none of this changed the fact that in the 1920's Jews were 11% of the population, in1933 they were less than 20 (and that included Palestinian Jews) and this was per the British Census, and that after waves of European immigrants in 1947 they were still less 25% of the overall population and yet a "Jewish State" was created and 800,000 Palestinians were expelled and their villages destroyed.. and thats how israel got their land

The fact that European Jews came there and bought up the place just adds to the injustice..of cource they bought up the place, the Palestinians were people living in a primitive country under an imperial government and had no money compared to europeans.. most developing countries have laws BANNING foreigners from buying land because then all the land will be bought..

I'll tell you something, in my country Thailand- as a foreigner I am not allowed to buy land! If foreigners can buy land here it will raise the price to high for Thai nationals and then all the agriculteral land and its profits will go to S.Koreans and Japanese etc, forget it, even if I want to buy a condo-there are restrictions, only 49% of the available condos in a project are allowed to be sold to foreigners AND financing it is not allowed for foreigners, instead I would have to transfer the full amount of the cost of the condo from a foreign bank account and buy it outright before the land office will approve it..and Thailand is much more developed now than Palestine was way back then.

Most of the 3rd worlds countries in Asia and Africa and S America who had allowed foreigners to come in during the imperialist era and buy up the place for cheap nationalized those lands and holdings once they gained independence , you'll remember this was a big issue in cuba when castro took over.

It simply wasn't fair for a european to come into these places where the people were mostly living a subsistence or villager lifestyle and buy up the place so that the indigenous population become a permanent penniless underclass to foreign domination, even after they gained independence.

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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

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Calling someone a Nazi usually is a sign of someone losing a debate. It's like showing a weak hand and attempting to bluff a pot.
I am not only calling him a Nazi, I also explained why he is a Nazi. And if someone who spreads "misinformation" in order to implement or justify a Lebensraum ideology is not a Nazi, then a lot of the people who were executed in Nuremberg in 1948 deserve to be rehabilitated, as well.
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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

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The idea that the region of Palestine was nearly unpopulated when the jews returned is that ridiculous that I won't comment it any further.

Are saying that those travelers were lying all those hundreds of years ago?
No. I am saying that the size of peoples which live in arid zones generally don't tend to grow into the billions. And that using this argument to justify stealing those peoples homeland is hitleresque, disgusting and far from beeing justifyed by science or by ethics.

Every human beeing has the right to have a homeland and to keep and inherit the land it owns.

You are the one here denying this right to the palestinian people.
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Re: Land In Palestine After The Ottoman Land Reforms of 1865-1871

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whatever happened in the late 1800s..none of this changes the fact that Israel is a apartheid state NOW-that is it's problem now, not plots of land and who owns them, none of this changed the fact that in the 1920's Jews were 11% of the population, in1933 they were less than 20 (and that included Palestinian Jews) and this was per the British Census, and that after waves of European immigrants in 1947 they were still less 25% of the overall population and yet a "Jewish State" was created and 800,000 Palestinians were expelled and their villages destroyed.. and thats how israel got their land

The fact that European Jews came there and bought up the place just adds to the injustice..of cource they bought up the place, the Palestinians were people living in a primitive country under an imperial government and had no money compared to europeans.. most developing countries have laws BANNING foreigners from buying land because then all the land will be bought..

I'll tell you something, in my country Thailand- as a foreigner I am not allowed to buy land! If foreigners can buy land here it will raise the price to high for Thai nationals and then all the agriculteral land and its profits will go to S.Koreans and Japanese etc, forget it, even if I want to buy a condo-there are restrictions, only 49% of the available condos in a project are allowed to be sold to foreigners AND financing it is not allowed for foreigners, instead I would have to transfer the full amount of the cost of the condo from a foreign bank account and buy it outright before the land office will approve it..and Thailand is much more developed now than Palestine was way back then.

Most of the 3rd worlds countries in Asia and Africa and S America who had allowed foreigners to come in during the imperialist era and buy up the place for cheap nationalized those lands and holdings once they gained independence , you'll remember this was a big issue in cuba when castro took over.

It simply wasn't fair for a european to come into these places where the people were mostly living a subsistence or villager lifestyle and buy up the place so that the indigenous population become a permanent penniless underclass to foreign domination, even after they gained independence.
Oddly, foreign ownership hasn't harmed the US, in fact, the opposite is true. Free markets keep the US strong, the opposite keeps Fascist states weak.

Open your markets to freedom and you won't regret it.
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I am not only calling him a Nazi, I also explained why he is a Nazi. And if someone who spreads "misinformation" in order to implement or justify a Lebensraum ideology is not a Nazi, then a lot of the people who were executed in Nuremberg in 1948 deserve to be rehabilitated, as well.
When I see Israel opening death camps, then I'll concede your point. Otherwise, it appears you wish to equate your country's past with one of the two democracies in the Middle East (thanks to US).
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No. I am saying that the size of peoples which live in arid zones generally don't tend to grow into the billions. And that using this argument to justify stealing those peoples homeland is hitleresque, disgusting and far from beeing justifyed by science or by ethics.

Every human beeing has the right to have a homeland and to keep and inherit the land it owns.

You are the one here denying this right to the palestinian people.
The Palestinians have a homeland, no thanks to Jordan or Syria.
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