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The bush administration and bank lobbyists proudly killing our economic system - 2003.
Strange not one simple mentioning of the word Nazi (or Adolph Hitler being the head of the NSDAP) in the oath."I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Adolf Hitler, the Führer of the German Reich, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath."
Don't get me wrong, the oath on the head of state was new, wrong and a break from German military tradition, but it was still an oath to the head of state, not the head of a party. That both later meant the same is clear due to the nature of the regime being a totalitarian dictatorship.
Anyway love your college (?) kid black and white logic, about my family members having much of a choice, whether to fight or not:rolleyes:
By the way mentioning the fact that you have't served was not meant as an insult. It just helped to make me understand your stand on things (e.g what motivates soldiers, what they care about and so on) and given your age the picture about your reasoning gets much clearer, that's all. Really no offense meant, kiddo. DUDE
yes i'm in college. youve always got a choice dude. you may not like the consequences of some of your options, but you can still choose. They didn't HAVE to work for the nazis. They CHOSE to. doesn't mean they volunteered necessarily or that they were happy about it, or that they were party members. but they did work for them, making them troops of the nazi controlled german army, or Nazi army for short.
dude ive got friends i grew up with in the every branch of the service, and all on active duty. mostly marines. i know what motivates them and what they care about. family, country, duty, getting home, taking care of their fellow soldiers. I'm not saying that the nazi troops in world war 2 were any different.
youre taking nazi for a slur, when its simply a descriptive term in this instance. youre overreacting. I think its because in germany, (where youre from right?) all the normal animosity and stigma surrounding the nazi party and even the term nazi is magnified 10 fold (and understandably so) and is even in most cases illegal. a soldier who fought for germany in ww2 being called a nazi can be grounds for some serious legal hoopla yes? aren't yall still trying SS members over there?
i'm not yelling "hey you fucking nazi" or something like that. I'm simply stating that the german army in ww2 was in actuality the nazi army, since germany was a single party totalitarian dictatorship ruled by the nazis at the time and their leader, hitler, had the army swear a personal oath of loyalty to him specifically.
I mean noone forced Stalin to send his forces in mass attacks against us and so to pill up a giant number of death, noone forced other Europeans to join terrorists /partisan groups and due to their action endanger their fellow citizens and so on. It was all tue to their own choices.
Apart from that, you might get me on the wrong track, if you believe that I just have a proplem with the term Nazi troops due to the insulting meaning (you are right on spot, it is much more insulting over here ( btw I'm German)).
I've witnessed the tendancy to talk about my country during the years of 1933 -45 as Nazi Germany, Nazi troops, Nazi...for a long time (also over here) and for me it also has another negative side effect as well. People refering to Germany as Nazi.. during that time, make it seem like as if the Nazis were aliens, foreigners, strangers and not simple Germans on a dangerous track.
It implies a certain amount of disconnection with the back then society/people/history and which I'm (today) part of and for me that's wrong. Hell for 12 years Germany has been ruled by German Nazis and that's all.
People should (and have) learn(ed) their lesson, make sure that such an ideology never gets hold on the country again and still feel proud about the sacrifices Germans commited during this years as well.
It's about akknowledging once country history for the good and the bad and still having the healthy attitude " wrong or right, my country"!
Everything else is bullcrap in my view.
That's why for example I believe it's so important to label those involved in it as simple Germans and not as Nazis, Nazi toops or whatever.
I mean if it could have happend over here, it can happen everywhere!