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Did Jesus have children? Brothers or Sisters?

Not being a Christain, I am not sure. However, I have noticed any web sites dealing with this sort of question, though all seem to say different things and I am unsure as to which is correct. Some say Jesus and Mary had a child, some say they did not. Some say Jesus had brothers, some say the opposite. Not sure on what to believe ...

Perhaps some of the Christians on here could advise their opinion ...
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Re: Did Jesus have children? Brothers or Sisters?

I believe it's plausible that Jesus fathered children.

I wouldn't expect a christian to allow for that possibility, though...
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I believe it's plausible that Jesus fathered children.
Yes, I was told this too but don't know enough on the topic to comment.

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I wouldn't expect a christian to allow for that possibility, though...
You mean, because they expect God to be pure (or something like that)?
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You mean, because they expect God to be pure (or something like that)?
Because it goes against what christians are taught about christ...
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Because it goes against what christians are taught about christ...
Which is? Perhaps you could be more verbose. Hey, you can even say (as you do on other threads, albeit in cruder terminology) that I don't have any real functional knowledge on this topic, as I don't!
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Which is? Perhaps you could be more verbose. Hey, you can even say (as you do on other threads, albeit in cruder terminology) that I don't have any real functional knowledge on this topic, as I don't!
You know, I entered this conversation with the intent of having a conversation. That's exactly what was happening until you decided to change into "Prick Man" with that last post.

Are christians taught that jesus had children? I don't believe they are. When you consider that christians subscribe to christian teachings, it only makes sense that a christian would probably say that jesus didn't have children.

I responded not as a slam on you or on christians. Nice to see, though, that it really is you who are incapable of an honest, reasonable conversation...
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You know, I entered this conversation with the intent of having a conversation. That's exactly what was happening until you decided to change into "Prick Man" with that last post.

Are christians taught that jesus had children? I don't believe they are. When you consider that christians subscribe to christian teachings, it only makes sense that a christian would probably say that jesus didn't have children.

I responded not as a slam on you or on christians. Nice to see, though, that it really is you who are incapable of an honest, reasonable conversation...
My comment about being a bit more verbose was not meant as a barb. Well, maybe a little sarcastic, but nothing more. Further, the last sentence about you claiming I know nothing about other topics was supposed to be a joke. However, I apologize if it came off the wrong way - I do have a strange sense of humor.

And, I had no idea about what Christains were taught ...
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Further, the last sentence about you claiming I know nothing about other topics was supposed to be a joke.
I made no such claim; not even close...

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And, I had no idea about what Christains were taught ...
Why, then, would you completely dismiss an absolutely honest and well-intentioned answer?

Honestly, your reaction to my reply was uncalled for and, even in light of your apology, quite telling...
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Why, then, would you completely dismiss an absolutely honest and well-intentioned answer?

Honestly, your reaction to my reply was uncalled for and, even in light of your apology, quite telling...
I'm sorry, but where did I dismiss anything you have said in this thread?

I asked "Which is"? Reason being, I had absolutely no idea what you were referring to.

I am unsure as to why you think I dismissed anything, but I did not.

As for the rest of my response goes, I did not mean any offense by it. What I was referring to was our conversation on other threads where you implied I don't know much or anything about the topics being discussed and I respond by saying I do - on this thread, I really DON'T - for some reason, I found this funny. My apologies.
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Don't remember where...but somewhere in the Bible it mentions he had siblings.
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Don't remember where...but somewhere in the Bible it mentions he had siblings.
This is a pretty exhaustive look at the issue: Jesus and his "brethren"
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Re: Did Jesus have children? Brothers or Sisters?

doesn't really matter whether he had children to me. Remember he was fully human along with being fully divine. Does Jesus having children or a family for that matter change the fact that he died and was raised from the dead for my sin?
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Not being a Christain, I am not sure. However, I have noticed any web sites dealing with this sort of question, though all seem to say different things and I am unsure as to which is correct. Some say Jesus and Mary had a child, some say they did not. Some say Jesus had brothers, some say the opposite. Not sure on what to believe ...

Perhaps some of the Christians on here could advise their opinion ...

It depends on which texts your accept as being more authoratative.

The Christian church, to generalize, accepts the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and (with some exceptions) John as being the most reliable accounts of Jesus' life. None of these accounts mention Jesus having a spouse or children. The accounts of Matthew, Mark and Luke (not sure about John) DO refer to Jesus' "brothers". Some theologians have claimed that the term could also mean "cousins", but I've never seen it translated that way.

Claims of Jesus being married and having children come from other accounts, such as the Gospel of Mary Magdelene and the Gospel of Phillip. The Christian church does not consider these sources to be reliable both because they conflict with the other gospels and because they were clearly written long after the others and were by and large rejected by the early church (who presumably would have the best access to accounts of what "really happened").


However, that does't necessarily answer the question, at least not all of it.

For, while it would be quite odd for none of the Biblical gospels (or any of the epistles) to mention Jesus having a family, it is also somewhat odd that none of them specifically mentioned that he was single. An unmarried Jew at age 30 in the first century AD would have been somewhat unsusual.
So it's a toss up. Personally, I doubt he was married or had children since I know of no source I consider even slightly reliable historically that refers to them, but I wouldn't be adament about it.
As Non Sequitur said, I don't think any essential Christian doctrine would actually be effected one way or the other.

But that's just my two cents.
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It depends on which texts your accept as being more authoratative.

The Christian church, to generalize, accepts the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and (with some exceptions) John as being the most reliable accounts of Jesus' life. None of these accounts mention Jesus having a spouse or children. The accounts of Matthew, Mark and Luke (not sure about John) DO refer to Jesus' "brothers". Some theologians have claimed that the term could also mean "cousins", but I've never seen it translated that way.

Claims of Jesus being married and having children come from other accounts, such as the Gospel of Mary Magdelene and the Gospel of Phillip. The Christian church does not consider these sources to be reliable both because they conflict with the other gospels and because they were clearly written long after the others and were by and large rejected by the early church (who presumably would have the best access to accounts of what "really happened").


However, that does't necessarily answer the question, at least not all of it.

For, while it would be quite odd for none of the Biblical gospels (or any of the epistles) to mention Jesus having a family, it is also somewhat odd that none of them specifically mentioned that he was single. An unmarried Jew at age 30 in the first century AD would have been somewhat unsusual.
So it's a toss up. Personally, I doubt he was married or had children since I know of no source I consider even slightly reliable historically that refers to them, but I wouldn't be adament about it.
As Non Sequitur said, I don't think any essential Christian doctrine would actually be effected one way or the other.

But that's just my two cents.
Great post. This is, in a nutshell, what I was going to write.

I have been taught that Jesus did not have any Children but did have half brothers and sisters.
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