Sam, you're real quick to accuse those against an apology of bigotry but as usual, you're wrong with you're stupid labels. If we were responsible for slavery and if the slaves were still alive, yes, we'd definitely owe them an apology but we're not responsible and the slaves are all dead so to whom do we owe an apology? You're all about feel-good shit that means absolutely nothing to no one but a few loud mouth liberals like yourself. Why not stand behind someone like Bill Cosby if you want to help racial harmony? Why must you unite with the idiots of the world? I'll tell you why. It's easier for liberals to give handouts than it is handups. It requires far less time and effort freeing them up to scream for more feel good shit. One day, you may actually understand that. In the meantime, wear the flowers in your hair, get out your bong, wave your peace signs and chant your silly mantra.

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I don't know why I even bother to respond to your insult filled posts Mrs M, it's apparent that you are filled with anger and hatred. Is it possible for you to post without the insults and hatred?

Since the slaves are all dead, and the slave owners are all dead, and when the slave owners were alive they never apologized for the crime of slavery, the states that condoned the crime must apologize to the ancestors of slaves. Slavery is bigotry and disrespect. Opposing an apology for slavery is also bigotry and disrespect.

And as usual, I don't understand why you keep seeming to want to insult "all liberals". I've had members of the right tell me this a bunch of times (regarding saying "most of the right"), but saying all liberals find it easier to give handouts et al ... is not an improvement.

I already said I agree with you on this one, and have given my reasons why, so that in itself proves your "liberals" generalization wrong, does it not?

Sam, I don't like you and make no pretense about it. That doesn't make me "filled with anger and hatred" though, it just means I don't like you PERIOD As for insults, here again we have poor little Sammy calling people bigots and then crying that she's been insulted. Hon, if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
Now, do you understand that the state of Georgia is made up of PEOPLE? Calling for the STATE to apologize is ridiculous because it was the PEOPLE of an era that condoned slavery. They're all dead. So are the slaves. As wrong as slavery was, it wasn't a criminal offense at the time and we can't pretend that an apology is going to make a difference. But let me ask you this, do you think the states owe me an apology because some of my Irish ancestors may have been slaves? Many of Irish were, you know. What difference does it make though? I'm not a slave and the people that may have owned my ancestors are dead so there's no one left to issue an apology nor anyone to issue an apology to. Face it, it's all useless, feel-good shit, Sammy and the Sharptons and Jacksons of the world should start addressing the REAL problems instead of stoking the fires of racial discord.

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Please forgive me. I usually don't make such generalizations because I know it's wrong. I should have said "some liberals".

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No offense taken, and thanks for your explanation. These slips occur - to all of us!

I think we all agree that slavery is what you say it is, if not worse.

But thing is, it's over and it's time to get past it. I'd understand your point is slavery was still legally tolerated in some parts in the US, but it isn't.

Further, I think what most are upset about is that they don't feel as if they should apologize for something they had no part in ... I understand this totally. See, if (hypothetical) you were British, I wouldn't expect you to apologize for the atrocities committed by the colonial British - that would make no sense (not unless you supported it that is - which everyone here is saying they don't support slavery).

Oh and another thing - it's perfectly fine if someone WANTS to apologize of their own free will, but forcing them is another issue altogether ...

So, I admire your sentiment on this, but perhaps, not the right approach (IMO).

*note: Not trying to insult you, so please don't take it that way *

I will never apologise for something i did not do why should anyone else? This is not going to help racial harmony.. and this is not a first step either.. that happened when lincoln made the emancipation proclamation.

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Truth be told, it's people like you who contribute to racial disharmony in the first place. Don't ask how - you've already been told a zillion times.

The problem I see is that these people want a government (in this case, the Georgia state government) to apologize. A government which represents the people of Georgia.

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True ... I was just making a point, that's all.

Anyway...nobody has proven how not apologizing for something one did not do = bigotry. I didn't own slaves, so I do not have to cheapen apologies by owning up for those who did. Acknowledging the actions of those who owned slaves as wrong, and apologizing for them are two different things, as Dilletante has explained. Sadly, nobody has addressed his well written responses and some have continued on the 'when I don't get my way, cry bigotry' train. It's sad, really.

Nor has anyone addressed the very well put statement by CorpMedia that the majority of the black population does not bother with this kind of feel-good nonsense, as they are trying to fix the real problems in their areas rather than dwell on getting cheap apologies from people who had nothing to do with slavery.

By the way, when will someone also answer this question - Since the qpology is to make the population of today 'feel better' about the past, will we repeat this apology when there is a new generation of Georgians, both black and white? I mean, shouldn't they have to apologise as well? How long does this process of cheapening apologies go on for? Or don't the people of Georgia who never owned slaves have a say in that?

I understand what you are saying, Mare. It doesn't make me a better person than those who disagree with me, but I understand.

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How can I mean an apology for something I haven't done?!? I can say "I wish it didn't happen", I can say "Man, that really sucks that they did that to you", I can even say, "That was a very, very bad thing." But I can't regret something I didn't do, and how can I apologize for something without regretting it?

I also think you're confusing "being sorry" for something with apologizing for it. I can "feel sorry" for you without apologizing. I can even "be sorry" about something without apologizing.
Think about it: All those victums of hurricane Katrina, I'm so sorry that happened to them. Is THAT an apology?

Let me ask you this: Why should the citizens of Georgia apologize for slavery? Why not the citizens of New Hampshire or North Dakota or Canada? Don't the people of New Hampshire feel sorry for the suffering of slaves in the South? Don't the people of Canada feel empathy? Why are the people of Georgia special?
By the same token, why is slavery special? Shouldn't the people of Georgia feel sorry for those killed by Napolean? Shouldn't they empathize with the victums of Stalingrad?

But of course it would absurd for Canada to apologize for American slavery or for Georgia to apoogize for the deaths of WWII.
The only reason they're being asked to apologize for slavery is because some people feel that the current citizens of Georgia (and I suspect they tacitly limit it to the current white citizens) are somehow still responsible for the atrocities of slavery. That they somehow still owe an apology for what happened.
And that premise I utterly reject.

Please don't let the fact that the people who would be doing the apologizing have done nothing wrong get in your way...

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