then why would soviets, an aethiestic country be so cruel to the jews?

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islam, christianity at base do not support horrific killings and mass slaughter. but you could twist things around to get there. and aethiests can also be most cruel. If everyone followed islam and christianities true message there would be no trouble, no hate, and no violence.

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The pogroms which occurred against the Jews were carried out during Tsarist times. Russian Orthodox Church!

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Well, one could only believe that if one believes that religion is at the heart of these matters. Which it never was.

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your right religion is a mere excuse.. just to galvanize people... you could really do the same for the cause of 'freedom' in the case of america, and in the case of russia for the cause of Workers revolution... you could kill people in the ELF for the cause of the environment.. .. it does not matter you could just always kill people no matter the cause no matter the excuse, it does not take religion to do it... certainly romans did not simply become one of the greatest empires on earth solely because the gods told them too.. its because they could, because of human ingenuity ambition and cruelty.

actually you know that the soviets also were very cruel to the jews..

Moon would love the soviets.
But of course soviet union did go after all religions, christianity included. they wanted to wipe religion out and have everyone worship the workers revolution ideology. i remember a story about a polish jew 'liberated' from the concentration camps by the russians... the russians shipped him to siberia after finding him... because he must be an informant or spie... the germans killed all the jews why would he be spared...

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the truth is having any ideology at all is dangerous.. if you wanted to impose it on people.. you would get the same thing.

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I've argued extensively (and previously) that there are no real 'relgious' wars. I defy anyone to make the counter argument.

That being said, from a historical perspective, when it comes to large scale slaughtering of human beings, religion of any and all varieties (pagan or monotheist) have been guilty as much as any non-religious inspired groups. There is no way one can assert that any one group is 'more' or 'less' guilty than any other group when it comes to human slaughter.

And to be perfectly honest, the Christians, Jews and Muslims have suppported horrific killings and mass slaughter and have used their religions to justify that killing.

My perspective is the whole of history here. I don't play favourites. Everyone is guilty.

Same reason as the Kings of England. Political utility.

Tyrants have always found 'scapegoats' to be very useful. Jews make good scapegoats. The soviets were tyrants.

This is a very good question and as most questions do, it has a complex answer.
As regards for their persucution in Europe, most of their persecution was motivated by christian thinkers and writers. In the early years of the Christian church, the Jews were some of their most potent enemies, and in cases persecuted Christians. The Jewish rejection of Christ and their lableing him a blasphemer did more to further this early rift.

However, violence against Judaism was rather spontaneous and not always consistent throughout the middle ages. Many governments simply abolished Jews from their territory and sent them east, to the Pale of Settlement, modern day Poland and central Europe. However, many distinct and negative views of Jews prevailed. They were killers of Christ, a unique charge, they were conspirators with the devil, evil, and myths of Child sacrifice were rampant regarding the Jews, as some accounts of wayward Jews sacrificing children back in the day did exist.

Given the Catholic stance on usury and loans, which forbade Christians charging interest against other Christians, Jews moved to fill this role, which was in demand, and it is also important to note that Jews who were allowed to live in Western Europe were often denied access to common professions, further motivating the Jews to pursue banking as a livelihood.

However, consider you just defaulted on your loan. You owe money to a man who is "other." Why not just persecute him and burn his house down and send him away?? this scenario occurred many times in the middle ages, and demonstrates an economic motivation for anti Judaism.

Combine these prejudices with the fact that Jews have a uniqe world view, keep unique customs, speak a distincitve language, and are rather good at dealing with adversity and persecution. This leads to fear of the people, and fear motivated actions against them, along with myths to reinfoce this fear.

over time, given the advancement of racial thinking, the rise of modern politics, anti-judaism evolves into a more political and racial prejudice, rather than a religous cultural one, although as you may be able to tell these prejudices can reinforce eachother.

then you get... hitler.

The Jews largely believe that they are God's chosen people based on religious texts, which many accept as not only gospel, but as a mandate.
In modern times, especially today, Jewish persons own and control fully 95% of the media in the US. But avoid this in polite conversation.
This includes broadcast and cable TV, newspapers, radio, magazines, music and movie production - all of which makes up most of what shapes the perceptions of Americans and the political and military endeavors that should be pursued. Values are taught - as are mindsets.
The Jewish population in the US is less than 2%.
Jewish persons also occupy a hugely disproportionate number of key US government policy making positions, (many with dual Israeli/American citizenships), nearly always demonstrating support for Israeli interests, especially official endorsement of actions against their Palestinian neighbors. But speak of this discretely if you do at all.
The US government consistently provides exceptional military weaponry to the nation of Israel and financial aid yearly, amounting to $500 for every man woman and child living in Israel.
There is also a vastly disproportionate Jewish influence on US banking and monetary policies in the US. And one should not overlook the reach and power of AIPAC, the Israeli lobby in the US. As a candidate for political office or reelection, speak unkindly about any Israeli policy or action and observe your character assassination in the media to follow.
All the while, an American lobbying effort in the legislative halls of Israel does not exist.
American ownership of Israeli media? Americans occupying Israeli government positions? Hardly.
Of course, in observing political correctness, to allege any coordinated agenda would be perceived as anti-Semitism and these indisputable facts are purely and utterly coincidental.

Let's see some data to support your "truth". Typed words don't cut it.

Thanks.

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Welcome to the forum, ScaryTruth. Perhaps not the best screen-name for anyone who wishes to be taken seriously. So, good luck with that.

I'm sorry that I don't have any comments to your first post. Somehow I can't take it seriously.

Gefilte fish is the reason. Have you ever eaten that stuff? It's obviously a part of the international jewish conspiracy.

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One's actions are the manifestations of one's beliefs. The question becomes self-evident, once one has studied and understands Judaism. The simple answer is, Judaism creates a criminal mentality, so why would criminals be persecuted throughout history? Because they are criminals.

is it because theyre special? you know, chosen?