Who friggin' cares--for the purposes of this discussion--what MAKES a jew a jew, the point is that they ARE jews and the discussion is why they have been persecuted.

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Si modo, Your unwillingness or inability to articulate what is the basis for right from wrong, is duly noted.

What a perfect set of logic for authoritarianism is being advanced here (not by you, I understand )

Do whatever you want to people to oppress them, and then justify it by pointing out some vacuous tautology about how they self-identify.

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Marcus1124 : Who friggin' cares--

The person that is being persecuted. It only stands to reason, that an ugly person is persecuted because they are ugly.

Unless you are saying the only reason Jews are persecuted is because they happen to identify themselves as Jews, that kinda begs the question. After all, why aren't self-identified athletes persecuted? Why Jews?

Why aren't beautiful people persecuted?

The underlying premise is that Jews seem to have been rather consistently persecuted throughout history. Now, if that is true, why jews? Why not some other group. What is it about jews that has resulted in them being the ones heaped upon.

Basically your contribution begins and ends with the reason jews have been persecuted is because they are jews.

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Or, likewise, that an enemy of yours is justifiably persecuted by you for being an enemy of yours. I'd say you can drop any pretense of worrying about whether people are Jewish or not - your desire to brutalize someone is all that you require, evidently, for brutalizing them.

Sheesh, Ayn would be disappointed in you. I think you need to brush up on Objectivism. Philosophical hack or not, she certainly wouldn't have advocated using circular reasoning in the advancing of any "axioms".

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That logic is so flawed I don't even know where to begin. I must be misunderstanding something your saying, because it sounds to me like you are saying that the victim is always to blame for thier victimization.

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By definition, no less! This stuff is priceless....

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lol yeah, its been a long day and I really needed this laugh

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"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay

Tautog : That logic is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.

And according to your thinking, there isn't a court system that persecute criminals for their criminality.

Marcus1124 : Unless you are saying the only reason Jews are persecuted is because they happen to identify themselves as Jews,

I am saying that because Judaism creates a criminal mentality, someone persecuted for being a Jew, is due to their actions of being a criminal, which establishes a reputation that follow someone who claims to be a Jew.

The cause is Judaism, the reputation is the effect due to the manifestation of the Jewish criminal mentality. First time taken, it is shame on them, second time, it is shame on you. Reputations are created because of their continual criminal behavior associated with the idea they are a Jew. Why do Jews change their name, to disassociate with the reputation that the name has been linked to being a Jew.

[quote=Jenifer Johnson;1301019]Proof?

So if a Jew is being persecuted, it's because they're a criminal?

So if a Jew is being persecuted, it's because they're a criminal, and this persecution (not criminal activities) establishes the reputation that justifies the persecution?

What manifestation of what criminal mentality?

You know Jews are individuals? Who are these criminals who justify persecuting the entire group? Or are you saying that all Jews are criminals?

That's not the fault of the Jews, it's the fault of those who persecute them. Do you have sources for all these supposed criminal tendencies?

Jews often change their name because of anti Semitism. Do you have any arguments other than the unsourced claim that all Jews are criminals?

What criminality? Are you seriously suggesting that since you think that all Jews are criminals, then the courts should prosecute them for being Jewsih? Oh, and please quote the posts you are addressing.

I'm glad you noted it. Please continue to note my unwillingness to take a thread so far off topic with a discussion about some concept only remotely related to the topic. I find that silly.

Your consistent use of tautologies (the Jews were persecuted because they were Jews, the Christians were persectued because they were Christian) is noted as well. However, those do nothing for any support you try.

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huh?

A court system is designed to determine guilt, not persecute people suspected of being criminals.

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Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision!" ~ Benjamin Franklin
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"There are no innocent civilians." - Gerneral Curtis Lemay. A.K.A Bombs away Lemay