No, I know there are Jews in Asia.

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So how can a "jew" belong to a race? As far as I'm aware, there are 3 main races. White, black, asian.

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All I know about the question of "race" is that it's very confusing. Anthropologists own that one so I can't give an informed opinion about "race".

As far as helping out with the definition of "Jew", I have much to learn, all I know is that it's complex.

But there are Jews who are ethnic Indian, Jews who are ethnic Chinese - and I know I'm probably using the term "ethnic" erroneously but I can't think of another term which explains what I'm trying to put across. I do know about Sephardic and Ashkenazic Jews but not a great deal, just that Sephardic are somehow "Easternl" Jews while Ashkenazic Jews are from Europe.

I think perhaps though we're outsiders looking at a debate that's occurring inside Judaism so perhaps that's why my confusion exists.

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In conclusion, yes, it is stupid to say that anti-zionism/anti-israel is the same as anti-semitism (or, more accurately, anti-jew). It's the same as saying that people who oppose Nazi Germany (or opposed) are/were racists towards whites. Another words, totally ludicrous.

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If my understanding is correct.
Jew can refer to a person who pracitices the religion of Judaism. It can also refer to a person who's ethnicity is Jewish. Or it can refer to someone who not only an ethnic Jew but also pracitices Judaism as their religion. Furthermore it is my understanding that an overwhelming number of people who are of Jewish blood do indeed practice their religion.

true anti americanism when coming from a foriegner is really a simple belief in the inferiority of amercans culturally intellectually among other things.. its a belief that we are stupid and gullible and deserve whatever evil that comes to us...
anti americanism coming from an american.. is just a form of self loathing.. just because you disagree with american or israeli policies that in itself does not make you anti american or israel.

anti zionism is a euphemism for being anti existance of israel. thats the plain truth. its an attempt to making zionist a bad word.. in the mind of a racist a zionist is something truly despicable and should be comparably to the word nigger out of thier words. Zionism.. a zionist.. they believe that these people are jews that pull strings to control the world and have some sort of evil project of world domination.. this is racist.

any time they mention that jews own media and congressmen for the sole purpose of palestinian oppression and domination.. racist.. its all out of the fuckin protocals of zion, jewish attempt on world domination.. which actually is communist propaganda used to make an excuse to kill off jews and burn down synogogues under stalinist russia.

support for the existence of a palestinian nation does not have to go hand in hand with the non existence of israel.

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I know the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is bullshit but I think it preceded the Soviets, I thought it was a product of Tsarist Russia. Anyway, it's a fabrication and a fit-up and anyone quoting it should be severely thrashed until the stupidity leaves their body.

But is anti-Zionism really anti-Israel? And since Israel exists and isn't not going to exist (lawfully I mean) then isn't Zionism a bit of a moot point now?

And I totally agree - the existence of a Palestinian homeland does not preclude the continuing existence of Israel. That would simply be replacing one bad policy outcome with another bad policy outcome.

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But is Jewishness an "ethnicity"? I don't really understand it. I used to work with a bloke who was born in London, UK and who was Jewish. He was British, his religion was Judaism. Is there anything else to it?

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i think some jews maintain you must be a descendant of abraham... but that doesnt mean different ethnicities can't be involved there... i think it is best desrcibed as a semi-exclusive sect that accepts conversion through marriage, or in other cases, conversion with out marriage...

Do you REALLY know the differnece between race and nationality? You don't seem to.

actually according to history the soviet union actually decided to proclaim a section of its territory a zionist state.. a refuge for jews.. but then later for some reason i dont know decided against it.. created this fabrication (the protocols) as an excuse to enact pogroms against jews in russia including arrests executions and the shutting down of almost all syngogoes inside russia, the ones the let stay open then were on heavy survelience. rather bs paranoia.. a huge portion of the communist party and intellectuals behind it were in fact jewish. i guess stalin wanted to destroy thier power.

zionism = israel. simple as that.. there is no way around it.. a zionist is a person that supports the existance of israel.. most people on this board are zionists for the support the continued existance of israel.. even if they are highly critical of israel but support its existance.. they are still zionists.

israel exists lawfully. it was partitioned by the un. how is that in anyway unlawful? and the disolution of israel, a state created by jews out of a feeling (and rightfully so might i add) that they were brutally mistreated by the european states. and no.. the holocaust was not the only reason.. zionist movement started out of racism anti jew riots brutal mistreatment that started out from europe i believe as far back as 1900. when jews started movin back to israel in numbers.

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thats just an excuse. a pitieful one at that. when you have palestinians acting as barbaric as they ARE. and still you find ZIONISM the root of all evil. you are a fucking racist there is no doubt about it.

anyone who says they are against the 'evils of zionism' is racist, that is a racist cliche statement hate the jew.. how many times have i seen the phrase 'evils of zionism' its a fucking vague statement meaning nothing but hatred for a fiction jewish conspiracy against the world.. yes there so many fuckin racists on this site.

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there is a race and a religion. and that is what has confused many people in my case.. i have a pretty obvious jewish last name and jewish ancestory. but i know nothing about being jewish or any of its holidays outside the catholic tradition.. because i was raised as a catholic.. and so was my parents generation. people often get confused when i explain to them ' i am but i am not..' its frustrating. heh.

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Thanks metalted - informative. Of course - Trotsky (Bronstein) was a Jew and Stalin had him murdered. I'd forgotten that.

And anti-Jew mistreatment goes waaaaaay back in Europe for sure. I remember reading about one of the mediaeval English kings who booted out all the Jews from England, 15th Century or round about. And before that in London they had a Jewish ghetto in the City, it's marked by the street called "Old Jewry".

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Ah - and the children of Abraham were pretty much dispersed if I remember rightly - the original diaspora? But on the second bit - I think some of the more conservative sections of Judaism might be exclusive in their mentality - which of course they're perfectly entitled to do - but there are also some fairly progressive, open sections of Judaism as well. If I remember rightly also, many sections of Judaism are wary of conversion, although they do accept it. I would think given the forced conversions to Christianity (and probably other religions elsewhere) they had to endure or had to submit to so that they could gain social advancement. Pretty bloody sad I say.

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