world politics is a complicated chess game, it is not a hippy love fest.
understanding who your enemies are who your friends are.. figuring out thier strenghts and weaknesses.. figuring out what thier plans are and how to counter them.. its not about saving the planet.. its about protecting your chess pieces and removing some of thiers.. the chess game never ends.

if you are a good chess player you realise that sometimes you have to sacrifice the pawn to get the queen.. and such things go on everyday.. that is how the world works... sacrifice some of your noble ideals.. some of your global image in order to achieve something greater.. takin down that queen.. one uping the enemy putting yourself in a position of strength.. it was in this way we won the cold war..
and in this way we will win the war on terrorism.

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Meh ? I am struck speechless ... I am suffering from speechlessnesslessness !

Indeed you are correct, Empires are neither all good nor all bad. Just as people are not all good or all bad, is this profound ? No. Is this the human condition ? Yes.

" Empires unify people " - Incomplete statement. Empires unify select groups of people within geographic social boundaries. Empires smooth and normalise. Nice sounding words, they connote security and sameness, but historically this normative process has been violent and deadly to those outside the norm. Jewish within a Roman Catholic Empire 600 years ago - your crispy on a stake. Catholic in a Pantheist Empire - your Lion Snacks. The list is as long as the list of Empires in History really. If within your new Empire you are poor, a different color, weak or of differing beleif, you are screwed.

" bring them under your rule.. no more wars right¿ " - Well no, no more visible internet wars, to a degree anyway. But a universal law of Empire is that to survive, Empire must grow. GROW. The Romans were at their Zenith when they were conquering other nations. As were the French, the English, the Spannish et al. That loot has to flow in somehow. Land wars have given way to trade and resource wars. Nice if your a Roman. Not so nice if your a Pelloi.

" also historically empires only fall when there is a rebellion from within.. or when a larger empire conquers it... " - Well, nope again. The really biggies like Rome, Egypt, Byzantine and British sorta just got chipped and scrabbled and niggled down to bugger-all. Yea - they lost some big fights, but they survived to sink from Empire over time. Romulus Augustus was the last Western Roman Emperor and he was knocked off by a German about 475AD, his throne was in a Rome that had wandering wolves in the streets and goats grazing the Appian Way.

For sure Empire in general has advantages - centralised wealth and princely ego builds libraries, monuments, palaces and universities. Excellent. Unfortunately the victors in battles of Empire tend to be the ones writing the history - so the cost of Empire is fairly unkown - certainly that most famous of Empires, the Roman, was a slaughterer par excellence. The Romans depopulated continents.

So is Empire a good thing ? Yes if your a Roman, no if your a little tribe living in the shadow of a gold rich mountain range. Then you will find yourself tied to a donkeys bottom with a long walk ahead of you.

Justified it? Um no.

No shit?

Just because there are no good guys doesn't mean that you shouldn't support being good guys.

Also, we're reaping some of the benefits of our asshole foreign policy.

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the little tribes do nothing but do the same to other little tribes.. empires are only this on larger scale.. no the little guy is not innocent and never is.
your mind only thinks how the rich and powerful are more corrupt then the poor.. and that simply is not the case.. the powerfull only effect more people..

but lets think about this for a moment.. my main point is that empires rise and fall all the time.. its history thats the way life is and there is nothing you can do about it. nope none of your idealistic speaches nope.. when america falls it WILL be because another empire or collections of empires use the same tactics i have spelt out against us.. as you say chipping away at out power.. and there will be a new hegemon a new empire..

the uncomfortable truth to the whole empire thing...
is that.. the english speaking peoples are the main propenants of such an empire.. (australia canada great britain, and america)
and the rest of the free world is all a part of it. you are all parts of this empire...those that are not are the ones that dont believe in the democratic ideals..

this aint a traditional empire you know.. this is more of an ideological war.. war between free world and communism
war between free world and islamic extremism.

and america is merely the strongest force in the free world.. america is the free worlds queen so to speak.

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i do support being the good guy.. i believe we still are the good guys..

i believe in doing the equivlant of telling white lies for greater good.. your gf puts on a horrible looking dress you tell her she looks pretty to avoid a larger fight... or stealing money so you can pay for someones i dunno cancer medicine.. whatever..

i dont support corruption for an ideal like,.. say for instance invading a country to benifit one oil company.. thats lunacy and corruption to the core.. it have to be about the benifit to the country as a whole. and thats what its all about.

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You are either stupid, immoral, or brainwashed and deluded. I don't really know what to say.

I'm about done here.

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Lol ok.

basically your emotion and ideals can not compete with logic and reason..
and you have lost the debate. its ok i know this is a very hard concept to want to believe. but my goal is to be honestly informed on all things.. and to understand how everything is put togethor and how the world works.

lieing to yourself wont make it all better.. to me i think its very well justified and extremely humanitarian to want the preservation and power of the democratic states and the lack there of for the facist states.. my hope is one day all governments will be democratic. and all these horrible things we hear about will be no longer.

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And the US supporting state terrorism, and all sorts of nasty shit is the proper way to achieve this?

Not to mention facilitating the removal of elected officials left right and center?

Come on. Do you even believe the bullshit you spout?

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You're such a prude, Donk. The way you "fuck terrorism" is to be the last terrorist standing.

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

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glad you see things my way. all non democratic states ,human rights abusers, any state that threatens to move against us militarily
and organizations that target civilians should be terrorized by the united states of america as it or when it so suits our needs strategicly.
I am absolutely against any sort of acts of cruelty on civilian/neutral populations. criminals brought to justice and corruption investigated.

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what examples are you referring to here?

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

I think you misunderstood Pogo...
Israel? Colombia? Guatemala? Nicaragua? Iraq? Pakistan? Cuba?

Luis Posada Carriles ring any bells?


Come on, get your head out of the sand. If you're going to be a jingoistic supporter of all things RedWhiteAndBlue, at least know what you're fucking supporting.

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what about israel. i know full well of israel. view my thread 'blame europe' in historical

what specificly about pakistan...>

i dont support everything we do.. but i do expect you to know our point of view of history before studying how we are so evil all the time.

what about guatemala.. i just did a quick look on it, it appears we were supporting and training guatemallan government forces in counter terrorism then we found out about human rights abuses and in 1979 jimmy carter withdrew support from them.

what about colombia? we have alliances with them to combat brutal drug lords remember pablo escobar?

you are going to force me to read up on everything and i will so you should look into an even handed source to how everything happened.

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This confuses me... So now instead of "fucking" terrorism you want to advocate it's use? You say that you're against acts of cruelty on civilians... but if you look at history civilians are almost always the targets of terrorism. Or at least the ones that die. You contradict yourself a lot
If America controlled an empire and only did shit for itself like you say it should, do you think that anyone would want to live in such an empire? if America acted like you said, it wouldn't last long at all. Only doing crap because it benefits you doesn't work, and those you neglect will eventually cause your demise.

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Let's talk then.

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