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Old 04-26-2007
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

Sam, I don't think "neo-conservative" was a 'new moniker' given because of Bush and Co.

The term has quite a history to it. Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In fact, the link alludes to a point that it may in direct opposition to libertarian ideas, much like drgoodtrips suggested. Maybe he wasn't so much in need of 'research' after all?
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

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question one: how do you know that the PNAC wants to dominate the world through outright military force?

quesiton two: who came up with the word?
It was in their mission statement in when I first read their website a few years back. They've reworded it when they figured out they shouldn't really say it in public. I remember it saying Global Domination. Now they call it Global Leadership. Here's what they say now.

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Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership.
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And [Clinton admin] they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership
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• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
Welcome to the Project for the New American Century
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

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Sam, I don't think "neo-conservative" was a 'new moniker' given because of Bush and Co.

The term has quite a history to it. Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In fact, the link alludes to a point that it may in direct opposition to libertarian ideas, much like drgoodtrips suggested. Maybe he wasn't so much in need of 'research' after all?
I'll just go change wikipedia right now to my definition then, and post that as a valid link. Seriously....a credible source would be better.
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

his definition is a load of crap. lol especially about conserving resources.. when i read that i was like wtf is he talkin about... honestly to me you are describing the difference between a corrupt conservative and an honest one then adding in some policy ideas you dont agree with in hoping that some conservatives will say 'ya im not a neo con i dont do that'.. its crap..its a bunch of hooey.
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

im not going to play this game.. everyone.. i admit.. im a neo con.. i have been hiding this information from myself for years.. its time for me to come clean.. its been hard trying to fight it.. but i have decided i must be honest with myself and with you all..

I am...a neo con.


'gasp'

roflmao

i have come out of the closet now.
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

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I don't know. I've sort of envisioned a Neo-con as being something along the lines of what goodtrips has described, yet for some reason always being mixed up for a conservative. However, I do not claim to 'know' everything about that a Neo-con is. That doesn't mean I'm any less outraged than anybody else at what goes on in their circles, but if you ask what the definition of a 'liberal' is or what a 'conservative' is to 10 different people of each persuasion, you'll get 10 different answers. Political philosophy is a bit more complex than "it's this, this, and this and that's final".
If the conservatives want to distance themselves from the neocons, they'll have to start rejecting them. So far, they are pretty much standing behind the Bush admin still.

"Until the host rejects the parasite, it is difficult to separate the two."
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If the conservatives want to distance themselves from the neocons, they'll have to start rejecting them. So far, they are pretty much standing behind the Bush admin still.

"Until the host rejects the parasite, it is difficult to separate the two."
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ahh i knew it.. it was a game all along.. a ruse to get at mr bush.
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I'll just go change wikipedia right now to my definition then, and post that as a valid link. Seriously....a credible source would be better.
Did you even read the site? It is cited through the history section, including an interesting set of paragraphs alluding to (and citing) instances where some aspects of neo-conservatism has roots in leftist and Wilsonian thought. But, even then I think the subtle point was been lost on you. Okay, here goes...

Point is that political philosophy is what drgoodtrips was getting at: You will see different takes and schools of thought within groups. Liberals and Conservatives included. Neo-conservatism is no exception.
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If the conservatives want to distance themselves from the neocons, they'll have to start rejecting them. So far, they are pretty much standing behind the Bush admin still.

"Until the host rejects the parasite, it is difficult to separate the two."
Scott Ritter on neocons and conservatives/Republicans
According to who, exactly? Pundits? Most conservatives I know are fed up with Bush. The only ones I see siding with Bush and claiming to be Conservatives are other pundits, who I would not say represent the bulk of any real school of thought. They only represent themselves.
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

what did we call neocons during the cold war? patriots?
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

Neocon couldn't be simpler.

Neo - meaning New

Con - meaning "con" the sh*t out of the world into thinking you care about America when all you are really trying to do is gourge yourself upon the national budetary teet.
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

thats barely even clever shows me you cant even give a definition of one... tell me "neo cons believe in facism' um.. i dont... i strongly believe in representative democracy.... i believe in strong military and i support iraq war and afganistan war.. and the war on terror in general.. i support israel. i support america. i support the existance of christianity .. makes me a neo con.. thats basically it...honestly when it comes down to it
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Re: Your definition of "Neocon"

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Did you even read the site? It is cited through the history section, including an interesting set of paragraphs alluding to (and citing) instances where some aspects of neo-conservatism has roots in leftist and Wilsonian thought. But, even then I think the subtle point was been lost on you. Okay, here goes...

Point is that political philosophy is what drgoodtrips was getting at: You will see different takes and schools of thought within groups. Liberals and Conservatives included. Neo-conservatism is no exception.
Like I said, I could change wikipedia right now and then post it as proof, if I wanted to. If your opinion is based in fact, find us some credible sources, like I did. I'm not doubting you, I just don't look at wikipedia like it's fact. Anyone can change it at any time.

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According to who, exactly? Pundits? Most conservatives I know are fed up with Bush. The only ones I see siding with Bush and claiming to be Conservatives are other pundits, who I would not say represent the bulk of any real school of thought. They only represent themselves.
According to Scott Ritter, as I quoted. The republican conservatives have just voted down the party line in the House and the Senate against the war funding bill, agreeing with President Bush, head neocon. I don't think that looks like they are trying to rid themselves of the neocon parasite.

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what did we call neocons during the cold war? patriots?
They were called "the crazies" during the Reagan administration, read my link.
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what was your source again? credible means unbiased meaning if you got them from a liberal source then its just a bunch of slander and lies.
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what was your source again? credible means unbiased meaning if you got them from a liberal source then its just a bunch of slander and lies.


Me thinks ye protest too much.

It is ironic how slanderers tend complain about being slandered.

If Liberals are by definition know to be overly "Politcally Correct," then how can they simultaneously be guilty of slander.

Politically Correct people are usually found to be painfully guilty of choosing their words too carefully as not to upset those they are defining.
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