“And if, on due and honest thought over these things, it seems that the kind of existence to which men are now summoned by every plea of pity and claim of right, may, for some time at least, not be a luxurious one; - consider whether, even supposing it guiltless, luxury would be desired by any of us, if we saw clearly at our sides the suffering which accompanies it in the world. Luxury is indeed possible in the future - innocent and exquisite; luxury for all, and by the help of all; but luxury at present can only be enjoyed by the ignorant; the cruelest man living could not sit at his feast, unless he sat blindfold. Raise the veil boldly; face the light; and if, as yet, the light of the eye can only be through tears, and the light of the body through sackcloth, go thou forth weeping, bearing precious seed, until the time come, and the kingdom, when Christ's gift of bread, and bequest of peace, shall be ‘Unto this last as unto thee’; and when, for earth's severed multitudes of the wicked and the weary, there shall be holier reconciliation than that of the narrow home, and calm economy, where the Wicked cease - not from trouble, but from troubling - and the Weary are at rest.”

- John Ruskin, “Ad Valorem,” Cornhill Magazine (1860); reprinted as Unto This Last (1862).

If socialism were workable in any way, it would be with a Christian community that truly practices the words of Christ.

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Excellent post, thank you, Goober.

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however, jesus did not advocate using government to better humanity, nor did he ever suggest such an endeavor would be worthwhile. there is a difference between loving people and thinking that government can somehow fulfill that role.

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

Thanks for sharing, Ht, it's good to remember that Jesus didn't talk about cars that got good mileage, He never mentioned the internet, and He didn't advocate democracy either.

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and your point...

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

I'm not an evangelical, rather a questioning Catholic teaching in a catholic school. Seems to me that socialism and even communism are very much the outcome of Christianity, from Christ's words. Then there is thankfully Thomas Aquinas, that adds balance regarding taking the words to the logical place.

Just the same as yours.

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Not really. The discussion here is did Jesus advocate socialism becuase he lived a self-less and others oriented life. However, the logical connection beteween the two is flawed, because Christ challenged humanity to engage in selflessness on an individual level, and never slightly suggested that government would be an appropriate vehicle to achieve such ends. if we were talking about whether or not the bible suggests that driving a fuel efficient car is appropriate, then your post would have been as well.

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

[quote=Annie;982066]Seems to me that socialism and even communism are very much the outcome of Christianity, from Christ's words. QUOTE]
how so? any specific examples?

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

Ht, you are sooo FUNNY! It's good that you have a signature line so that you have at least one rational statement in each of your posts.

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the purpose of my quote is to demonstrate the failure of our educators to properly explain reality.

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

Your quote? I thought it was my quote. And yes, it does demonstrate the failure of somebody's education when you haven't grasped the fundamentals of biological reality.

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well, its my quote of you. please dont sue me.
yes it is sad when people come out of the womb of american education and fail to realize that a male and female are required to carry out natural reproduction.

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

Argue for your limitations and they will be yours. Oh, and I would dream of suing you for using my quote to dress up your posts.

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